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From: "Jack Goins" <>
Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 23:17:47 -0400
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>
> ## No, the grand Jury indictment calls them colored and not allowed to
> vote or to testify against a white man in a court of law. Indians, or
> mulattoes are not mentioned in these trials or in the state legislation
> meeting conducted by John McKinney, who were discussing free Negroes
> and McKinney did not mention Melungeons as reported by Droomgoole. Jack
>
>
> -----------------
> Vardy Collins was indicted by the Grand Jury.
> I have found most of the grand Jury verdicts and they all read the same
> regarding the charge.- I will read part of the Vardy Collins indictment
> by the Grand Jury which leaves no doubt on what the charges were.
>
>
> 7 August 1846- “On the 7th day of August in the year of our lord 1845
> did then and there knowingly and unlawfully did vote in an election
> held under the constitution and laws of the United States of America
> and the State of Tennessee for representatives, Governor and members of
> the state legislature, being disqualified to vote by the laws of this
> state on account of color, and from being a competent witness in our
> courts of law in any case whatever except against each other.
>
> This is only a small part of the reading of this indictment as it keeps
> repeating he was a free person of color and by voting he violated the
> laws of the United States and this State of Tennessee.
> http://www.jgoins.com/Union6_speech.htm
>
>>>>>Apparently the indictment called them 'free person of color' --
> which from everything I have read included, Indians, mustees and
> mulattoes. They could just as likely been tried for having Indian
> blood as having African blood.. we just don't know for sure, do we?
>
>
>
> Joanne Pezzullo
>
> Historical Melungeon Indians
> http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.
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> Re: [MELUNGEON] Historical Records.>
> ----------------------------------------> ### No Joaane you are making
> the assumptions. It plainy says in this> indictment the charges were
> for voting in the election held in August> 1845> for Governor and Rep.
> The judges of the election made the decision to> allow> them to vote,
> the person who filed the charges was not named. The> losers are>
> normally the ones who challenge an election, that's not an assumption.>
> The> hearing where this was bound over to the Grand Jury was most
> likely in> 1845> we have not located the hearing. We have the records
> where this was> turned> over to the Grand Jury and their descision and
> the names of the Grand> Jury> who found them guilty, or you might say
> enough evidence to have them> stand> trial.>>>>>>THIS IS FROM YOUR
> ARITCLE JACK>> ''The 1834 revised Constitution of Tennessee
> specifically disfranchised> Indians, mustees, and mulattoes. The
> illegal voting charges and trials> of known Melungeon families in
> Rogersville proves they did not escape> this discrimination. After two
> separate juries ruled Wiatt Collins and> Zachariah Minor not guilty the
> state dropped the charges on Solomon,> Levi, Ezekial, and Andrew
> Collins and later dropped charges on Lewis> Minor. The answer to why
> the charges were dropped is simple, they were> brothers and cousins.
> Why try Lewis Minor after his brother Zachariah> was found not guilty
> by a Jury? Evidence points to a probable pre trial> deal between their
> lawyer and the state prosecutor on who was to be> tried.''>> Is there
> anything in the records you have found so far that identifies> these
> people as 'Indians, mustees or mulattoes? You don't know who> filed the
> charges, you haven't located the hearing -- and do you know> if they
> were charged because they were mulattoes or Indians, because> the
> bottom line is this is what this is about right? Negro or Indian.## No,
> the grand Jury indictment calls them colored and not allowed to vote or
> to testify against a white man in a court of law. Indians, or mulattoes
> are not mentioned in these trials or in the state legislation meeting
> conducted by John McKinney, who were discussing free Negroes and
> McKinney did not mention Melungeons as reported by Droomgoole.
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