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Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Melungeon Indians
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:29:56 -0400
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Here are a couple of links to'wooly hair syndrome'


http://www.orpha.net/data/patho/GB/uk-woollyhair.pdf

http://www.keratin.com/ag/ag015.shtml




Joanne Pezzullo

Historical Melungeon Indians
http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html



-----Original Message-----
From: Joanne Cole <>
To:
Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 10:03 pm
Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Melungeon Indians


I have enjoyed the ongoing discussions...and have yet to participate in the DNA,
want to, as have a distant Goodman cousin in San Diego who is willing...However
as a 'white' family, I have to tell you that the line from which our Melungeon's
come [Goodman] has a good deal of curly hair! My daughter's hair is very
similar to an african-american person...so somewhere we have connected to a
population that has those characteristics. Am curious, how many in this
discussion have family members with that very curly hair? My daughter's is
beyond "curls"..it is in such tight ringlets that she just shampoo's it, can't
put a comb through it...Of course it is not consistent with all our family, but
this is a sampling that I think is interesting, and I think the possibility of
african american somewhere in the line...

On Jun 25, 2011, at 10:39 AM, wrote:

>
>
>
> It bothers me that if you acknowledge any of your Indian ancestry then you get

> flogged. If you acknowledge your african american, well, that's expected, if
> you acknowledge your white then you are discrediting your tri-racial ancestry.
>
> Isn't this the truth?
>
>
> Joanne Pezzullo
>
> Historical Melungeon Indians
> http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: K T JAMES <>
> To:
> Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 11:31 am
> Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Melungeon Indians
>
>
> Probably a more realistic way to look at the Melungeon Core dna would be by
> family groups, i.e. where we know for instance that 5 or 6 or 10 or whatever
are
>
> the same Gibsons, we probably should count that as 1 family, same with Goings,

> same with Collins to get a better picture. There are a lot I feel sure that
> have no connection to Melungeon but have a bump or lump or something so want
to
> do the dna.
>
> It bothers me that if you acknowledge any of your Indian ancestry then you get

> flogged. If you acknowledge your african american, well, that's expected, if
> you acknowledge your white then you are discrediting your tri-racial ancestry.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "" <>
> To:
> Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 11:10:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Melungeon Indians
>
>
>
>
> No one is implying Melungeon descendants have no Indian DNA. But simply that
> very little of the Y and mtDNA seen so far has been Native American.
>
> And realistically there is very little of the Y DNA seen so far that has been
> African. If any of the Bunch family in Hancock County can be connected to John

> Bunch 1656 or Henry Bunch in Bertie Co., NC.... let them produce it.
Valentine
> Collins lived for a very short time on Newmans Ridge and there is no evidence
he
>
> left any descendants there. A large number of Goins are listed in the
MELUNEON
> DNA project simply because they match Jack's family -- yet you have still not
> added David Collins descendants DNA -- may be technicality but the Melungeon
DNA
>
> project by Jack Goins CLEARLY does not represent Melungeon families.
>
>
>
> Joanne Pezzullo
>
> Historical Melungeon Indians
> http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet Crain <>
> To:
> Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 9:26 am
> Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Melungeon Indians
>
>
> Joanne; There is a lot of confusion muddying the waters here. You cannot
> say; "Melungeon descendants are showing a lot of 'Indian DNA' which is
> represented by several Eurpean and African haplogroups because Europeans
> and Africans are known to have lived with the Indians from 1520 on."
>
> This would not be accepted as a scientific conclusion by any professional.
> Yet it seems to be what you are saying.
>
> You could make the statement that "Melungeon descendants have been shown to
> be carrying several European and African haplogroups. To date very few
> Native American haplogroups have been found." This is a fact. And I see no
> way this is an injustice to anyone.
>
> No one is implying Melungeon descendants have no Indian DNA. But simply that
> very little of the Y and mtDNA seen so far has been Native American. You
> know people have a lot of ancestors other than their Y and mtDNA ancestors.
> Haplogroups offer information on only a tiny percentage of the total
> ancestry. But there's a reason for using haplogroups. When scientists speak
> of haplogroups as being Asian, European, African or Native American they are
> speaking in broad terms of where these people lived in isolation for many,
> many thousands of years before they began migrating and mixing together. A
> haplogroup takes more than 400 years to evolve.
>
> Most people in America today are a mixture of the DNA of several formerly
> isolated groups. So it would be very difficult to test a Melungeon
> descendant for their autosomal DNA and prove anything. Autosomal is the DNA
> from all ancestors and is mixed, shuffled and reshuffled with each
> transmission. But any findings from a modern day person is going to
> be representational of several non-Melungeon ancestors also. And no one
> could say which one contributed what.
>
> So you are left with the Y and mtDNA which come down virtually unchanged.
> The Y in a straight paternal line and mtDNA in a straight maternal line.
> Imperfect tools, but the best geneticists have and probably ever will have
> due to the previously cited reasons.
>
> Janet Crain
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:41 AM, <> wrote:
>
>>
>> It is not a leap to say there was absolutely contact and mixture from as
>> early as 1520s with Spaniards, Portuguese, Africans, etc., with the Native
>> Tribes - and that mixing resulted in 'Mixed Indians Tribes' -- meaning those
>> Indian Tribes as early as the 1520s were carrying European and African DNA.
>> To imply the Melungeons have no "Indian DNA" because there are no Q's is a
>> gross injustice to the Melungeon descendants.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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