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From: Trevor Bauknight <>
Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] MELUNGEON Digest, Vol 6, Issue 146
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:40:25 -0400
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On Jun 25, 2011, at 3:36 PM, CLELAND L THORPE wrote:

> I'm not sorry the big mystery about our people is solved and all the printing of Melungeon Speculations will come to an end.

I'd say that is a highly ambitious claim.

Trevor

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> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:48:53 -0400
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> Janet if you have been reading them everyday it seems a rather simple answer.. either she was flogged or she wasn't. Are you saying she is not being truthful?
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> I have been reading them every day.
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> I will review them later when I have time.
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> Jane
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> Joanne Pezzullo
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet Crain <>
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> Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 12:42 pm
> Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Melungeon Indians
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> I have been reading them every day.
>
> I will review them later when I have time.
>
> Janet
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:36 AM, K T JAMES <> wrote:
>
>> Janet, where were you for the last two weeks when I was very publicly
>> brought to
>> task both on the Board and privately for embracing the NA ancestry, be it
>> ever
>> so mixed or small quantum lever? Before you say, "it is simply not true"
>> you
>> need to reread all of those emails on the MHS Board and obviously I cannot
>> share
>> any private emails but I got them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Janet Crain <>
>> To:
>> Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 12:19:26 PM
>> Subject: [MELUNGEON] Melungeon Indians
>>
>> Kathy wrote:
>>
>>> It bothers me that if you acknowledge any of your Indian ancestry then you
>> get
>> Flogged. If you acknowledge your African American, well, that's expected,
>> if
>> You acknowledge your white then you are discrediting your tri-racial
>> ancestry.
>>
>>
>> Kathy; This is simply not true. Perhaps you misunderstood something someone
>> said. Who, when and where were you "flogged"?
>>
>> I cannot let this remark go by. All of us are proud of our NA. And some of
>> us are not even Melungeon, myself included. Why in the world would I want
>> to
>> discredit any ethnic group?
>>
>> Janet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *-------Original Message-------*
>>
>> *From:* K T JAMES <>
>> *Date:* 6/25/2011 10:32:02 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* Re: [MELUNGEON] Melungeon Indians
>>
>> Probably a more realistic way to look at the Melungeon Core dna would be by
>> family groups, i.e. where we know for instance that 5 or 6 or 10 or
>> whatever
>> are
>> the same Gibsons, we probably should count that as 1 family, same with
>> Goings,
>> same with Collins to get a better picture. There are a lot I feel sure
>> that
>> have no connection to Melungeon but have a bump or lump or something so
>> want
>> to
>> do the dna.
>>
>> It bothers me that if you acknowledge any of your Indian ancestry then you
>> get
>> flogged. If you acknowledge your african american, well, that's expected,
>> if
>> you acknowledge your white then you are discrediting your tri-racial
>> ancestry.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:51:43 -0700 (PDT)
> From: K T JAMES <>
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> That is great.? I suggest you do that.? You asked me who, where and when.? Does
> that mean you want them forwarded to this board??
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> From: Janet Crain <>
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> Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 12:42:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Melungeon Indians
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> I have been reading them every day.
>
> I will review them later when I have time.
>
> Janet
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:36 AM, K T JAMES <> wrote:
>
>> Janet, where were you for the last two weeks when I was very publicly
>> brought to
>> task both on the Board and privately for embracing the NA ancestry, be it
>> ever
>> so mixed or small quantum lever?? Before you say, "it is simply not true"
>> you
>> need to reread all of those emails on the MHS Board and obviously I cannot
>> share
>> any private emails but I got them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Janet Crain <>
>> To:
>> Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 12:19:26 PM
>> Subject: [MELUNGEON] Melungeon Indians
>>
>> ? ? Kathy wrote:
>>
>>> It bothers me that if you acknowledge any of your Indian ancestry then you
>> get
>> Flogged.? If you acknowledge your African American, well, that's expected,
>> if
>> You acknowledge your white then you are discrediting your tri-racial
>> ancestry.
>>
>>
>> Kathy; This is simply not true. Perhaps you misunderstood something someone
>> said. Who, when and where were you "flogged"?
>>
>> I cannot let this remark go by. All of us are proud of our NA. And some of
>> us are not even Melungeon, myself included. Why in the world would I want
>> to
>> discredit any ethnic group?
>>
>> Janet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *-------Original Message-------*
>>
>> *From:* K T JAMES <>
>> *Date:* 6/25/2011 10:32:02 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* Re: [MELUNGEON] Melungeon Indians
>>
>> Probably a more realistic way to look at the Melungeon Core dna would be by
>> family groups, i.e. where we know for instance that 5 or 6 or 10 or
>> whatever
>> are
>> the same Gibsons, we probably should count that as 1 family, same with
>> Goings,
>> same with Collins to get a better picture.? There are a lot I feel sure
>> that
>> have no connection to Melungeon but have a bump or lump or something so
>> want
>> to
>> do the dna.
>>
>> It bothers me that if you acknowledge any of your Indian ancestry then you
>> get
>> flogged.? If you acknowledge your african american, well, that's expected,
>> if
>> you acknowledge your white then you are discrediting your tri-racial
>> ancestry.
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>> http://www.jgoins.com/
>>
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>> http://www.melungeon=historical-societymhs.blogspot.com
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>> http://www.historical-melungeons.blogspot.com
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> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 12:56:49 -0400
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> It seems every time I try to post something I believe is relevant to Melungeon research someone from the MHS manages to hijack the thread. So let me repost this. The book was written in 1966 by a descendant of Lewis Preston Summers born in 1868 and a very credible witness to history. The information from the author, received either from Lewis Preston Summers or W.P. Grohse was the Melungeons were thought to be a mixture of the Spaniards and Indian women, they were related to the Turks of Sumter County -- and that they *stopped over* in South Carolina before going to Tennessee.
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> THE CATAWBA INDIANS
> THE PEOPLE OF THE RIVER
> Douglas Summers Brown
> p46-47
> No one knows what became of the men and the fortifications along Pardo's
> thousand-mile trail . Henry Savage says , "Some men were killed, some drifted
> back down the trail when the captain failed to return. " Others , including a
> fifer with his wife and children stayed and threw in their lot with their Indian
> hosts. Boyana himself returned to Santa Elena only to be tomahawked by an
> Edisto Indian.
>
>
> In the Holston Valley of southwestern Virginia and of eastern Tennessee, just
> across the mountains from the region of Old Fort and Marion, North Carolina, is
> an ethnic group whose origins have aroused much speculation but who stoutly
> insist that they are Portuguese. They are called "Melungeons," (also
> Melungeans, Malungeons,") a term whose meaning is unknown. Local historians
> believe they are the descendants of mixed marriages between Indian women and the
> Spaniards who had a post near Old Fort, North Carolina. (19)
>
>
> (19) - Information came from my father, historian *Lewis Preston Summers (See
> below). This group has been described, though somewhat inaccurately, by W.L.
> Worden, "Sons of the Legend," The Saturday Evening Post, Oct. 18, 1947; also, in
> "The Melungeons, the Mystery People of Tennessee," The Tennessee
> Conservationist, August, 1959. These articles were called to my attention by W.
> P. Grohse of Sneedville, Tenn., a student of the Melungeons' origin. A
> connection between these people and the "Turks" near Sumter, S.C. who may or may
> not have Catawba blood, has been suggested. The Melungeons are said by some to
> have stopped over in South Carolina enroute to Tennessee.
> http://rla.unc.edu/Catawba/Documents/Brown_1966.pdf
>
>
> *Lewis Preston Summers b.1868 d.1943 m. in 1897 Annie Katherine Barbee. Lewis
> was the author of "Summers Histroy of Southwest Virginia." Lewis was the
> Abingdon Post Master from 1890-1894. He began his legal practice in 1895. He was
> appointed U.S. district attorney, by President Harding in 1922. He was a member
> of the Virginia State Bar Association and the Presbyterian Church. Summers was
> also chairman of the Walnut Grove Cemetery Association, Washington Co., VA. The
> land for this cemetery was originally owned by Robert Preston, Sr., whose wife
> Margaret Rhea Preston, and mother, Eleanor Fairman Preston, established the
> cemetery. Lewis and Annie had 7 children:
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> Joanne Pezzullo
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> Joanne Pezzullo
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