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From: Don Collins <>
Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Core Melungeons - Correction
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:16:15 -0600
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PS, You could use Cleland Thorpe's DNA expert as an adviser.
Go for it.
Then we would be entertained by a DNA Project 'Race'.....


Don

On 8/20/2011 8:49 AM, wrote:
> I posted this a couple of days ago and would like to make a correction --
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> And while the Denhams and Goodmans have historically been identified as
> Melungeons in December they were listed merely as a family of interest. As I
> recall they were haplogroup R and I ... but I can't seem to find them at all on
> the project even though they are listed on the main page as being CORE names.
> Were they removed by accident or are they there and I am just missing them?
> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/coremelungeon/default.aspx
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> The page I found the Denham and Goodmans on in December isn't the same page set up by familytree.com -- Not sure why there are different pages set up for this project with names that are NOT found on both lists, but there is.
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> These are the surnames listed at the Melungeon Core DNA Project found at familytreedna.com:
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> Surnames
> Bolin, Bolling, Boltons, Breedlove, Bunch, Collins, Denham, Gibson, Goins, Goodman, Hopkins, Mallett, Melungeon, Menleys, Minor, Moore, Mornings, Mullins, Perkins, Shumake, Williams
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> While the page from familytreedna does not list names like Goodman (R) , Denham (I), Bolin (R) Perkins (E) they are listed at this page as 'FAMILIES OF INTEREST'
> http://jgoins.com/melungeon_dna_families_other.htm
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> Families of interest? Are you kidding me? These families have been acknowledged as Core names since Jarvis a hundred years ago. They are listed at familytreedna as CORE names yet they are families of interest on one page and not mentioned at all on the OFFICIAL page that shows 'overwhelming Sub-Saharan --- umm, something is not right here. Even though the Perkins are E haplgroup they do not make the list either -- why? Perhaps because these are the families Jack Goins called 'my imaginary Pee Dee Melungeons. But looky there -- under Surnames of CORE Melungeons is Perkins, Shumake, Bolton, Breedlove Menleys.. all found in the Pee Dee River of SC or the 'imaginary Pee Dee Melungeons' --
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> But at familytreedna page which shows 'overwhelming Sub-Saharan' are the 'imaginary' descendants of Valentine Collins, Levi Goins, John and Henry Bunch, John Compton and the HURDs who weren't Melungeons at all last year.... listed as Founders/Core names?
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> Joanne Pezzullo
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> Historical Melungeon Indians
> http://www.historical-melungeons.com/index.html
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Thu, Aug 18, 2011 6:08 am
> Subject: Re: [MELUNGEON] Core Melungeons
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> You seem not to be able to answer my questions Janet but still posting this
> about founders without documentation. Again Jack Goins has not provided
> anything he found in Hawkins County to change their status from "maybe
> Melungeon" so how can you call them a founder? Check out the Bunch YDNA project
> the only one close to Newmans Ridge was a man by the name of Nelson. Valentine
> Collins certainly cannot be documented as a founder..
>
>
> Maybe you could answer why a Levi Goins with African DNA is part of this CORE
> project because he is 'related' to Jack yet John Gibson of the Pee Dee River
> Gibsons isn't although he is related to Buck Gibson?
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> I see now that HURD has been added as a CORE name. From your 2009 article on
> Melungeon DNA [someone] it was written;
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> ''Other families who are of interest to the Melungeon DNA project include a
> group
> who are known to be closely associated with Melungeon families, but are not
> specifically identified as Melungeon. Some information exists which might
> indicate they are Melungeon, and having said that, they may fall into the group
> that Jarvis mentioned as “others not remembered”.
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>
> • Herd/Hurd – descendant of Melungeon family (grandson of Zachariah
> Minor)
> http://www.dnaexplain.com/Publications/PDFs/MelungeonsandDNA6-21-09V2.pdf
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> Two years ago Hurd was 'associated with' but never identified as a Melungeon but
> he gets his DNA test back and he no longer 'may' be - and is not a Melungeon
> descendant anymore but a CORE Melungeon.. is this what you mean by 'founders'?
>
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> The head and the source of the Melungeons Vardy Collins and Buck Gibson have
> European haplogroups. Ezra and Samuel Bunch of Newmans Ridge... also European.
>
>
> And while the Denhams and Goodmans have historically been identified as
> Melungeons in December they were listed merely as a family of interest. As I
> recall they were haplogroup R and I ... but I can't seem to find them at all on
> the project even though they are listed on the main page as being CORE names.
> Were they removed by accident or are they there and I am just missing them?
> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/coremelungeon/default.aspx
>
>
>
>
> Katy;
> I said "It is quite likely that a large percentage of the present day
> population of Melungeon descendants do
> descend from those founders."
>
> I did not say 100%, but it would seem to me it would be easier to
> prove your Melungeon descent if you could trace from the founders.
> Hence problematic, not impossible, but problematic,i.e. harder.
>
> I am not saying that only E-haplogroups are Melungeon or saying all
> "real" Melungeons have the E-haplogroup, but I would be very surprised
> if none of their ancestors were carrying this HG. This is based on the
> observation that some of the founders were carrying this HG and there
> was a great deal of intermarriage which would have made those
> ancestors the ancestors of many persons of Melungeon descent.
>
> I just wanted you to understand how your example would not hold up
> under the conditions that existed 200 years ago. I have no idea who
> your ancestors were. I don't even know who all of mine were. If you
> are satisfied with your family tree, far be it from me to suggest you
> could be wrong.
>
> Janet Crain
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Katy Brown
> Date: 08/18/11 00:46:42
> To:
> Subject: [MELUNGEON] Core Melungeons
>
> Janet, you said:
>
>
> The Core Melungeon DNA Project testing has revealed that some founders
>>> carried African haplogroups. It is quite likely that a large
>>> percentage of the present day population of Melungeon descendants do
>>> descend from those founders. If you don't, then it becomes problematic
>>> to prove that you are, in fact, a Melungeon descendant.
>
>
> In Hancock Co., TN, I have three different Collins lines, also Gibson,
> Bunch and Goins. None of whom show up with an E-haplotype. And it is
> NOT problematic at all to prove that I am, in fact, a Melungeon
> descendant. Are you saying that only E-haplotypes are Melungeon or are
> you saying all "real" Melungeons have the E-haplotype?\
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