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From: "Bruce Sampsel" <>
Subject: Re: [NativeAmericanDelmarva] Re: Census: Octoraro Hundred Cecil Co. 1790
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 00:28:33 -0500
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Thank you very much. I have been trying to check out various sources in
the area during early settlement period, in particular those concerned with
New Sweden and the early Penn colony, and these will be helpful.
Brenda
----- Original Message -----
From: Morning Star, Wampanoag/Cherokee <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NativeAmericanDelmarva] Re: Census: Octoraro Hundred Cecil Co.
1790


> Osiyo- Hope this link helps. A good site for all to 'check-out',
> especially links at the end of website.
>
> Some Early Pennsylvania Land Treaties
> See/follow-up the reference:
> 1701 April 23 Ratification of Dongan's deed and the deed of September
13,
> 1700, (No. 14), by the Susquehanna, Shawnee, Potomac, and the Conestogoe
> Indians.
> http://www.public.usit.net/mcnamara/clarion/patreaty.htm
>
> Also try Internet search of "Conestogoe Indians".
>
> Morning Star, Wampanoag/Cherokee
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Sampsel" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:14 AM
> Subject: [NativeAmericanDelmarva] Re: Census: Octoraro Hundred Cecil Co.
> 1790
>
>
> > Robert,
> >
> > Thanks so much for your reply. The map at this site was very helpful,
> too.
> > I plan to check out any additional info. at the site as well. I had
heard
> > of an early Susquehanna Fort near the mouth of Octoraro Creek before,
but
> > here is what I came up with from George Johnson writing his history of
> Cecil
> > County in 1881:
> >
> > Speaking of the 1661 commission of Capt. John Odber to take fifty
soldiers
> > and go up to the Susquehanna Fort.....p.48, "This fort was probably just
> > above the junction of the Octoraro Creek and the Susquehanna River.
There
> > is no doubt whatever about the Susquehannas having a fort at that place,
> > because John Hans Stillman testified that he had seen it there.
Stillman
> > was an Indian Trader, and at one time had a trading post at the junction
> of
> > the Big and Little Elk Creek . He also had a trading post at the mouth
of
> > the Susquehanna River, and was well acquainted with the Indians. His
> > evidence........may be seen in Penn's Breviate, which was submitted to
the
> > English Court of Chancery when Penn and Baltimore were quarrling....
> > Johnson further on, p. 154, speaking about Nottingham and New Garden
> > meetings c. 1730 states, "In 1729 many of the inhabitants of the
> > Susquehanna Hundred petitioned the court for a road to be laid out 'from
> the
> > church road by the Indian town, called Poppemetto, until it joins unto
the
> > road leading unto the Quaker meeting-house at the west end of
Nottingham.'
> > ....The church road referred to in the petition was a road leading from
> some
> > point near the mouth of the Octoraro to the Episcopal church at the head
> of
> > North East , or to the chapel connected with it , that stood a short
> > distance east of Port Deposit. Nothing is known at this time about the
> > location or history of the Indian town."
> > Port Deposit aka Creswell's Ferry, Rock Run.... per Johnson, p. 393 ,
"As
> > early as 1729 Thomas Cresap... had a ferry there, which is believed to
> have
> > been called Smith's Ferry....It was afterwards called Creswell's
Ferry....
> >
> > John Hans Stillman was a descendant of New Sweden; there were several
> > Susquehanna forts that show up in early records.....
> >
> > Now my question is this: It seems apparent that the Octoraro area was
> > inhabited by Susquehanna and perhaps other (Shawnee and Delaware also
> along
> > portions of the Susquehanna River... even the "Flatheads, possibly
> southern
> > Cherokee visited the early Swedes from time to time.) Indian groups
early
> > on, and that the Swedish settlers or their descendants were actively
> trading
> > and interacting with them at an early date, as were others. The "last
of
> > the Conestoga" were supposedly exterminated by the Paxton Boys in 1763
> (PA)
> > and supposedly the other groups migrated westward to the Ohio territory,
> > etc.... Is it possible that scattered families remained and were living
> in
> > the area as late as 1790 at the time of the first Federal census? Or is
> it
> > more probable that many free blacks decided to move to Octorora Hundreds
> > between 1729 and 1790, or that a shipload of folks moved in from
Barbados
> or
> > somewhere? Seriously, I am curious who these AOFP in Cecil County,
> > especially Octoraro Hundred, were in 1790. Anyone have any hunches or
> > thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brenda
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Robert Wilson <>
> > To: Bruce Sampsel <>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 11:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: Census: Octoraro Hundred Cecil Co. 1790
> >
> >
> > >
> > > The Octoraro was a creek that emptied into the Susquehana River in
> western
> > MD. I would assume the name
> > > derived from that. As to the rest of your question, it is curious why
> the
> > AOFP was high.
> > >
> > > :
> > > : The 1790 Cecil County cenus is on line. Thank you USGen Web.
> > Scrolling through Octoraro Hundred and there is an
> > > incredible amount of people on this census in this area listed as "All
> > Other Free Persons." Does anyone know what
> > > Octoraro Hundred was like c. 1790 and what might account for this
high
> > concentration of AOFP? I know a bit about the
> > > area 100 years or so earlier, but not sure what was happening there at
> the
> > time of the first census.
> > > :
> > > : Thanks,
> > > : Brenda
> > > :
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