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From: "BP Patea" <>
Subject: Re: [NZ] Re: Included in 1841 UK census?
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:57:39 +1300
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TRACING SEAMEN ON BRITISH CENSUSES 1841 -1891

A population census was taken every ten years in Great Britain including
data on merchant seamen. The records for 1841 - 1891 are available on public
access at the Family Record Centre for access details see the PRO website
at http://www.pro.gov.uk

1841 Seamen on shore on census night were enumerated in the same way as the
general public, in the place where they spent that night. There was no
provision made for recording seamen at sea on census night.

1851 Seamen on board ships in port or docked on rivers were recorded for the
first time. They were enumerated by the Master and collected by the local
Officer of Customs whose duty it was to submit the records. The RGSS had
similar responsibility for the enumeration of ships at sea within
territorial waters. Survival rate for these records is poor. The records may
be located following the normal census records for the port at which the
ship was docked or the port to which it returned at the end of its voyage.
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If there was no provision for Seamen, then it stands to reason that they did
not count emigrants either, they had left the country remember.


Olivia
----- Original Message -----
From: "storm20" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [NZ] Re: Included in 1841 UK census?


> I remember that I think he does it every year
>
>
>
> only 9.95 unlimited
> http://www.scatteredashes.net/
> Still looking for Lillian Harriet WELSH, ( nee SECORD)
> born 1868, where is this lady buried,
>
> ?
>
>
> > Seem to recall a couple of census's ago the Christchurch Wizard
threatened
> > to go in a fishing boat, out past the three mile limit, To avoid having
to
> > fill out a census return Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julie Skellern" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:08 PM
> > Subject: [NZ] Re: Included in 1841 UK census?
> >
> >
> > > It is my understanding of the UK Census system that it was not taken
for
> > > emigration ships. Certainly fisherman, and serving militia, are
> included
> > in
> > > some series, but primarily all that I've sighted have been in "home
> > waters".
> > > Army personnel on overseas postings aren't included.
> > >
> > > As the censuses are gathered for statistical purposes, I would presume
> the
> > > relevance of people leaving the country would not be of interest.
> > >
> > > I've done extensive work on censuses, and have seen no reference to
make
> > me
> > > believe otherwise, but, of course, am prepared to be corrected should
> > > someone prove me wrong.
> > >
> > > Jools
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Guys
> > > Thats a good question, hadnt thought of that one - my
gggrandfather,
> > John
> > > McDonald was on the Whitby, so I would be interested in the answer as
> > well.
> > > Cheers
> > > Heather
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gwylym & Jenny Baldwin" <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:51 PM
> > > Subject: Included in 1841 UK census?
> > >
> > >
> > > > This may seem a silly or even down right dumb question!
> > > > The 1841 census in England and Scotland was held on 7th June 1841.
The
> > > > ships Will Watch and Whitby had left England on 2nd May 1841
arriving
> in
> > > > NZ during November 1841. Would the passengers and crew etc have
filled
> > in
> > > > census papers?
> > > > Jenny
> > > >
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