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From: "Graham Lewis" <>
Subject: Re: [nz] Fwd: New Version CD
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:52:44 +1000
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You sound a bit as if you're cutting off your nose to spite your face, Paul.
The NZSG, like any family history society, costs money to run (premises,
staff, computers, books, CDs etc) so you can't reasonably expect them to
give away all their services for free. They simply have to make ends meet,
from fees for service, and profits on CD and other publications, as well as
subscriptions. It's only reasonable then that they give members -
subscription-payers - some preference in the pricing of CDs etc, rather than
giving free-loaders full rein.

I don't get to NZ very often, but I reckon that the NZSG deserves the
support of any serious NZ family historian, and am happy to have been a
member for most of the 44 years I've lived in Australia. If you feel
alienated I reckon you must be pretty unusual - I've never met anyone at
NZSG Panmure or branches who was anything other than welcoming and very
helpful. As for "blackmail" - get real! The NZSG products are good value
at either member or non-member prices.

Graham Lewis

-----Original Message-----
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Sunday, 6 July 2008 3:35 PM
To: Heather Bray; Wendy Howard; .
Subject: Re: [nz] Fwd: New Version CD

I totally agree with you Heather - NZSG should be there to aid those who
require any help regarding geneology whether they are a member or not. By
not doing so they tend to alienate themselves from those who want that aid,
additionally they express their organisation as a closed shop.
My experience confirms this thought - I was told some years ago when
attending my local NZSG branch 'open night' after asking general questions
on my family research that 'you need to join the group before we can help
I am certainly not interested in this kind of blackmail for that is what is
was - pay up or else.
Since that time I have researched on my own with occasional help from those
who are fully prepared to offer their resources (for that I am very
grateful). I, too, am prepared to offer my research to anyone who may gain
by it (and often do).
Others on this list go out of their way to help members usually without any
payment, maybe NZSG should open their eyes a little and support those who
partake of the same hobby as they are porported to represent.


Can I ask why you would make this comment Wendy. After all this list is all
about genealogy, how to research your tree and how to get resources which
would help you.
The NZSG should be more than willing to answer questions asked on this list.
After all everybody reading this list is either a member of the NZSG or a
potential member so the NZSG should answer all queries placed on this type
of message board.
The answer to the original question is quite simple. If you are a member
then you can keep your previous version and pay $60 for the new version or
you can return your version and pay $30 for the new version. If you are not
a member you can buy a public version for $80.
I always keep my previous version.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wendy Howard" <>
To: "." <>
Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nz] Fwd: New Version CD

> > Why don't you ask NZSG direct?
> >> Probably because the NZSG Office seems reluctant to answer queries
> on this list :)
> And quite rightly so, IMHO.
> Rootsweb's Community Guidelines
> (
> prevent advertising on its lists and boards, which posts from NZSG
> officials - especially about its products - could be viewed as.
> NZSG concentrates its efforts on its own business, that is, looking
> after its members and the products it produces, etc.
> There are plenty enough people at forums like this one to contribute
> working knowledge to people who choose not to join that organisation.
> And for NZSG members, they have their own forum, which members should
> subscribe to if they wish to participate there (see the magazine and/or
> web site for details if you are interested).
> The matter here, as I see it, isn't that NZSG doesn't answer queries on
> this list, but that the question was not asked in an appropriate place.
> This may have been because the original poster didn't know to go
> elsewhere, which is the main reason I've chosen to respond and share my
> knowledge and opinions here.
> Not only am I an active member of this list, I am also a List Owner and
> Message Board Administrator at Rootsweb (35 lists and 227 boards
> currently), a convenor for an informal genealogy group (ie a NZ group
> that is not an official branch of NZSG), member of an NZSG branch, and a
> paid-up member of NZSG.
> Kind Regards,
> Wendy Howard
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