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From: Lloyd Rowsell <>
Subject: [NF-TRINITYBAY] October 27th 1612-2009 ...the word "FORDGE",the word "FOWER" and the debate continues, 397 years later,with reference to the word "CUPERT"
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:01:41 -0700 (PDT)

Birthday of Captain James COOK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cook


October 27

"The nexte day we put foorth a flag of truce being a white flag. The lake

is about a mile from any parte of the harborough. Theare issueth out of yt

a very great brooke enough to drive three fordges [MILLs / Waterwheels ??] with the currant.

http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM6758_Triphammers_Forge_Water_Wheel

Theare was seene at theire cabanes showes made of Deere, & seale skinnes

very artificiallie. They have two kind of oares, one is about fower [four] foote

long of one peece of firre, the other is about 10 foote long made of two

peeces, one being as long, big & rownd as a halfe pike made of beeche

woode, which by likelihood they made of a biskaine [BISCAYNE] oare.

th'other is the blade of the oare, whiche is let into th'end of the long

one slit and whipped very stronglie. The shorte one they use as a paddle,

& thother as ane oare."

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the word "FOWER" from 1535-1612   ....replace the 'w' with a 'u' and we get the word FOUER which has evolved into the INGLIS Four.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22fower%22+dictionary+of+Newfoundland+English&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=

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In response to this internet posting below here is my 'two cents' worth:

Until at least 1965 the people of the Port de Grave district rarely pronouned the letter 'R' in most words....methinks that the words found in historical texts concerning the CUPAR's Cove Sea Forest Plantation area result from the pronounciation of CUPERT without the "R" sound thus we get the sound of C U P E T S.   This has resulted in spellings for this place such as:
CUPIDS
CUBIDS
CUBITS
COOPES etc. etc.

Many of us have seen the spelling for ROBERTS as ROBBITS and RABBITS.....as a youngster I noticed that my grandfather, b.1888 of COLE LEE's Point, said Bay ROBBITS in stead of Bay ROBERTS.....

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The historical record shows that Cupids was called Cuetes, Cubits and Cupits but not Cuper's Cove. Cupids and Cuper's Cove were two separate and distinct locations in the 17th century. In a letter dated October 6, 1610, John Guy stated that Cuper's Cove was a branch of Salmon Cove. A map drawn by John Sellers circa 1671 shows Cupers Cove to be situated between Collier's Bay and Holyrood. A map drawn by William Hacke circa 1677 shows the location of Salmon Cove to be between Collier's Bay and Holyrood. A map drawn by Robert Sayer and John Bennett circa 1771 shows that Salmon Cove was located between Collier's Bay and Holyrood. The only other place called Salmon Cove which existed in Conception Bay in the 17th and 18th centuries was located near Carbonear. There is no record of a place called Salmon Cove being located near Cupids in the 17th century. We know that John Guy did not land near Carbonear, accordingly, in his letter of October 6, 1610, the
Salmon Cove to which John Guy referred must have been the one located between Collier's Bay and Holyrood where Avondale is now situated. Consequently, Cuper's Cove must have been located between Collier's Bay and Holyrood. Clearly, Cupids cannot be Cuper's Cove. Conjecture and unsubstantiated opinion are no substitute for historical and scientific fact. Has any of the slag found at the site in Cupids been subjected to metallurgic and other scientific testing to determine its composition, age and origin? Do the rocks found at the site in Cupids bear the marks of a stone mason and any limestone mortar? Apart from conjecture and opinion, what scientific examinations have been undertaken to confirm the identities of the human remains at the site or to confirm the origin and composition of the slag or the era of stones found on the property? Did the Government of Newfoundland and Labrador require that the site in Cupids be independently scientifically
investigated and authenticated prior to providing millions of dollars in funding? If not, why not? Myth and theory are not sufficient to warrant the spending of millions of taxpayer dollars. There are numerous other questions regarding the purported authenticity of the site in Cupids which must be answered with fact not fiction!












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