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From: john waugh <>
Subject: Re: [NIR-ANTRIM] Need Larne gravewtone transcription lookup orwhohasit
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:30:57 +0100
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Hi Dora

Have you checked out Griffiths Valuation? Its available here
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

Only other land records would be Tithe Applotment records from about 1823.
These are available at PRONI.

Most records for what is now Northern Ireland were transferred from Dublin
to Belfast in the 1920's

Have you also see the Probate for Samuel McKinstry on the Wills section of
the PRONI website? He was from Castle Chichester which is near Whitehead
which is by the water of Belfast lough. His estate was probated to Esther
McKinstry a spinster and daughter. The original documents did not survive
the four courts fire in Dublin so not available.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Dora Smith
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:15 PM
To: Lyn ;
Subject: Re: [NIR-ANTRIM] Need Larne gravewtone transcription lookup or
whohasit

Thanks! So they must have lived in Templecorran.

What other McKinstry records have you got for the Templecorran graveyard?

I mean, there's supposed to be this ancestral Rodger, father of every
McKinstry in Ireland (man spent his entire life in bed with his wife). He
allegedly came to IReland in 1669, and had a son, John, the only son who
was definitely his, born at "Brode" in 1677. What gets my attention is
that the woman who claims to be descended from Esther's cousin, did a bunch
of writing to McKinstry's in Ireland, and she has a letter from an elderly
farmer near Templecorran who claims to be descended from this Rodger.

There is a considerable problem with genealogies of people in Ireland who
have the same surname evolving over mugs of ale.

Nevertheless, it can atleast be said that more than likely the Templecorran
current of this tradition didn't come from a poorly researched 19th century
McKinstry genealogy. Usually the story that is told by people who still
live where the ancestors actually lived is likely to be reality.

So I've got a particular interest in McKinstry's of Templecorran.

I'm also interested to know if any Templecorran McKinstry's would have had
anything to do with shipping or shipbuilding? They weren't directly on the
coast, and they lived pretty far out in the country for people involved in
that enterprise, even if Carrickfergus was the area's seaport when they
lived there.

If any of these McKinstry's held land, that will be at LDS, which filmed the
records in Dublin. Now, the records from County Antrim WOULD also be in
Dublin, correct? It seems like the later it gets, the harder it gets to
research those deeds. I had Lowe's over southwestern County WEstmeath and
also south of the border, and I had to get a whole bunch of reels just for
the indexes. Someone else had actually gone there and gotten some of the
deeds, and they're a wonder of genealogical information. They often
identify peoples' trades, as well, and you'd never have guessed that those
quasi-aristocratic Lowes were jewelers and silversmiths of Dublin.

Has anyone got any obvious strategies to limit the number of rolls of index
film I must order on those deeds?

Also, if the McKinstry's rented enough land to be the prosperous farmers
some of them clearly were when they went to America, it would have been
copyhold, or, in Irish parlance, leases for lives. If they lived in
Templecorran, what landlords would they have likely rented it from, and does
anyone know where their collections of papers are? Now, Templecorran was
part of the Presbyterian planters' land, who organized their affairs well
and tightly and seem to have seen to every detail, so did they actually do
leases for lives or a British version of copyhold?

PLEASE don't tell me McKinty are the same family. That name changed, but
usually it kept the instr sound. McKinstry, McKinnistrie, McKinster,
MacKinstray, Kingstree. Galloway names are strange, and often similar, and
McKinty could be a different one.

Yours,
Dora Smith



----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyn" <>
To: "'Dora Smith'" <>; <>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:22 PM
Subject: RE: [NIR-ANTRIM] Need Larne gravewtone transcription lookup or who
hasit


>
> Hi Dora
>
> This is probably her
>
> Templecorran Graveyard.
>
> McKinstry Here lieth the body of Roger McKinstry who departed this life
> 19
> Feb 1798 aged 24 years. And also his wife Esther McKinstry alias Gorden
> who
> departed this life 07 May 1810 aged 77 years. Also their son Samuel
> McKinstry who departed this life 12 Dec 1860 aged 78 years. And of Jane
> Hill his wife who died 26 Apr 1847 aged 68 years. Also their daughter
> Esther Gordon McKinstry who died 19 Apr 1885 aged 68 years.
>
> McKinstry Erected by Eliza Campbell in memory of her mother Matilda
> McKinstry who died 02 Mar 1867 aged 55 years. Also her father Samuel
> McKinstry who died 23 May 1888 aged 87 years. Also her granddaughter
> Maggie McMaster who died 23 Jan 1911 aged 28 years. And her husband
> James
> Campbell who died 12 Dec 1913 aged 73 years. Also the above-named Eliza
> Campbell who died 03 Jun 1918 aged 79 years. And her daughter Jane
> McMaster, died 17 Nov 1959. Also her son Robert Campbell, died 24 Feb
> 1960. James Hay, husband of Charlotte Hay, died 24 Nov 1965.
>
> There are a stack of McKinty buried there too.
>
> Regards
>

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