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From: "Robert H. Smith" <>
Subject: Re: [NJBERGEN] Frans Jacobsen, b. Abt. 1632
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:47:28 -0500


>From the SPIER Family Genealogy
"Johannes SPIER married Maritje FRANSE from Beest in Gelderland on 12
August 1679 at Bergen, The banns was announced on 27 July 1679. She
was the daughter of Frans JACOBSON and Geertie GERRITS. She came with
her parents on DE BEAVER leaving Amsterdam, Holland, 9 May 1661 and
arriving in New Amsterdam on 29 July 1661. (Riker, J. "Revised History
of Harlem, P. 971)
Best, Bob Smith....Shelby, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Faber <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 7:12 AM
Subject: [NJBERGEN] Frans Jacobsen, b. Abt. 1632


> Ken,
>
> Have you heard of this discussion about Frans Jacobsen? Does any one
know
> where the Bower Manuscripts can be accessed? For my research, it is
helpful
> to have access to the referenced copy from which conclusions are
made about
> familial relationships.
>
> Mark Faber
>
> ****Christine Young e-mail text****
>
> "I have 2 brothers, Thomas and Mathias Fransen, later called
Outwater,
> whose father is said to be Frans Jacobsen, in Beverwick as early as
1649. I
> have been struggling to find the anscestors or familial relations
for Frans
> Jacobsen. For a number of reasons I have been leaning more and more
toward
> the possibility that Anna Frans was his daughter , and the sister of
the
> above Thomas and Mathias.
>
> Van Laer, in the Bower Manuscripts, suggests that Frans Jacobsen may
be the
> son of Thomas Coningh and Marritie Frans. This would explain the
name
> Thomas for one of his sons.
>
> Now, the possibility that Maritje Jacobs (wife of Mathias Serveas)
could be
> the sister of Frans Jacobsen, the aunt of Anna Frans, thus the
daughter of
> Thomas Coningh and Maritje Frans, has me wiggling even more with
interest.
> Maritje Jacobs married to Mathias Serveas could, I suppose, help me
to
> connect the name Mathias to the second son of Frans Jacobsen.
>
> Frans Jacobsen died when his children were quite young (possibly
before
> Mathias was born?) and supposedly they ran away to Tappan at some
point due
> to conflict with a step father.
>
> We find Mathias Frans and Anna Frans both connected with Tappan in
their
> marriage records, and all three...Thomas, Mathias and Anna Frans
married
> within 6 months of each other. All three are connected next with the
Bergen
> Church.
>
> I have no idea why Van Lear suggests that the children of Thomas
Coningh
> are named Jacobsen (Jacobs), but he does, and I am now wondering
what
> others might think of these connections.
>
> Thanks for any feedback, leads or renunciations of the above!
>
> Christine Young"
>
> Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:22:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From:
> Message-ID: <>
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:21:34 EDT
> Subject: Re: Anna Frans
>
> ***END Christine Young e-mail text****
>
>
> Researching: BALMER, DODD, FABER, GOBEL,
> NEPTUNE, OUTWATER, WARDEN in N. New Jersey/Netherlands
>
> Mark Faber
> 11474 Frederick Road
> Ellicott City, MD 21042
> Web Page: http://www.erols.com/mfaber
> mailto:
> mailto:
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