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From: "Roland Elliott" <>
Subject: Re: Dysfunctional Family?
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:27:41 -0800


One could take your "Thinking Processes" and pound "it" into the southern
orifice of a north facing knat and still have room for a Golf ball.Boy you
don't know what coward is if you face me.R
-----Original Message-----
From: Joel and Lynn GAzis-SAx <>
To: <>
Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 18 18
Subject: Re: Dysfunctional Family?

It cost me $5,000 for that shot....It sure wasn't cheap!

But then, I have to say this: You don't have to like me or my
opinions and you can even kill file me. It won't change what I think
of those who whine when a relatively comment is made about them
and say nothing about toilet mouth.

You have every right to like Roland and even declare that. But, on
the other hand, you have to live with the unhappy reality that when
you do, someone might say "Boy, that's dumb. What bad taste!"
It's the price of freedom in this country. If you don't want what you
say criticized, then don't say it. If you don't want fallacies in your
declarations pointed out, don't say them until you have thought
them through.

This all started because after weeks and weeks of Roland's abuse
and rants about the impeachment, I first posted my disagreement
(politely) and then, when I saw how frivolously people were treating
me, posted a little humor piece in kind. And suddenly, all the pro-
impeachment crowd wailed, demanded that I answer their points,
and then when I did, ducked mine. So I am feeling a bit cynical
and suspicious about the sincerity of any attempts to get me to
like Roland. Frankly, I don't. I think he is an ass. He alone can
change that by being a nicer person who responds thoughtfully to
posts instead of being the propaganda mill who thinks that
Democrats should get lobotomies so that they will be more like
Republicans. You will note that I let this rest for several days until
the apologists started up again with the same old thing.

I call that cowardice. I call it cowardice because instead of
grappling with points and trying to come up with intelligent
answers, you allow Old Roland to try to shut down conversation
with his toilet mouth. You don't shut him up because you don't
want to have to face the reality that you might be caught at being
wrong about something.

Go ahead, like Roland because he is an ass. The constitution
protects his right to be an ass and I love that document because it
also gives me a right to call him an ass and to call anyone who
hides behind him on the issues a coward. It is not because you
like Roland that I call you a coward: I call you that because the
only stand you seem to want to express is that you like Roland. I
suspect that there are other beliefs that you just don't want to have
challenged behind that.

Date sent: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:57:18 -0500
To: ,
From: Adrienne <>
Subject: Re: Dysfunctional Family?

<SNIP>

The reason I think why you
>protect Roland, ultimately, is so that you yourselves can get away
>with cheap shots and rudeness of a lesser caliber and never have
>to say you are sorry. That, in my book is cowardice.
>
<SNIP>

I, for one, am offended that you would use such a cheap shot yourself. I
am not rude to people, nor do I use cheap shots. I also am not a coward.
I like Roland because I like Roland. I don't think I need to explain to
you that that is my prerogative.

Adrienne
Melbourne, FL

Joel GAzis-SAx
http://www.alsirat.com
http://www.notfrisco.com
Politics are usually the executive expression of
human immaturity.
Vera Brittain

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