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From: JOHN RICHARD EIB <>
Subject: Re: Dysfunctional Family?
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:58:00 -0600


Joel.
Is it me or did I not say I was sorry not only for my part of the mess
but that you have gotten the short end of the understanding stick so to
speak. What am I supose to think when I try to make amends and I get
this kind of dressing down. A simple I except your appology lets agree
to disagree and drop the subject I think would have worked for me. But
apearitly you've been hurt very badly and do not know how to except an
appology. Maybe you might wonder why noone is talking to you. its
because we have taken a leson from you and have Killed all of your
incoming stuff as well. I adment I have not been on the net as long as
you have. Maybe you should look in the mirror be for you start calling
names like rude and insenitive.
Margie
Nolonger trying to keep the pease were is my .357.
Joel and Lynn GAzis-SAx wrote:
>
> I have been trying to discuss things like an adult, but I have to say
> quite honestly, I think the reason why Roland is so beloved is
> because he is a rude and crude person who attacks people whose
> views you don't like! If he were coming from the other end, he
> probably would have been driven off the list months ago.
> Fortunately, I have a killfile set up so I don't have to read his
> garbage -- experience with him in other contexts has demonstrated
> to me that he doesn't take the time to think or listen or learn from
> anyone.
>
> And I know I am not alone regarding him. Others have written to
> me saying that they wish he'd shut up, too. They just don't want to
> deal with the harassment they'd receive from "good old Roland" for
> speaking up.
>
> You say "perhaps if we knew you better". This is a step back from
> your earlier position blaming it all on me, but still not good enough.
> I believe that you should treat people with the same dignity
> regardless of whether they are strangers to the list or not. If a
> person is rude and nasty, then you should say so. If they try to
> speak civilly, then you respond in kind.
>
> Roland uses a lot of cheap shots to make his point. He also was
> spamming my mailbox, trying to bring up the impeachment issue
> whenever he could even in contexts which did not relate to it. He is
> downright obsessive about this impeachment thing and his friends
> just try to sing a little louder and pretend it's all in fun. You say
> you love him because he brings up points you didn't think about. I
> saw lot of shopworn reactionary cliches when I read him. The only
> challenges I've seen to anyone's thinking, I dare say, have been
> coming from me so far and you are ever so quick to reject them!
> (e.g. I brought up the Fourth Amendment issue several times and
> nobody wants to deal with that. I answered the sex issue pointing
> out that the harm to the country would have been negligible had Mr.
> Starr and his company not tried to dig it up -- Clinton is certainly
> not getting rich off this. The only waste/theft of taxpayers' dollars
> is from this pork-barrel special prosecutor's office which never goes
> away, unlike the other ones which have been set up through the
> years. And finally, let us not forget how deftly you try to dodge the
> dysfunctional family analogy. The degree to which you try to get
> me to spare "poor old Roland" is classic "don't mention the
> elephant in the living room" stuff.) The reason I think why you
> protect Roland, ultimately, is so that you yourselves can get away
> with cheap shots and rudeness of a lesser caliber and never have
> to say you are sorry. That, in my book is cowardice.
>
> The good news, again, is that I have killfiled Roland. This is not
> only because of his asinine behavior here, but also because of his
> asinine behavior in private email, both before and after I joined
> norcalchat (not knowing he'd be here). You see, I spent several
> days trying to teach poor old Roland how to send a digital
> postcard. I've got thousands of people using my digital postcard
> sites and the instructions are the same for all. Roland could not
> figure this out. He posted a message ~to my guest book~ saying
> that he couldn't send a card. (Again, he has to make the biggest
> show possible for all to see.) We exchanged several polite emails.
> Then it wore into just before Christmas when the digital postcard
> server was flooded and things were very slow. I patiently explained
> that he would have to let the server do it's thing because it was
> overloaded. Roland made a cheap remark about that it would be
> easier putting a gun to his head. At this point, I washed my hands
> of him. I'd worked hard to try to get him to understand the simple.
> And I concluded that he just didn't want to.
>
> So not only have I faced Roland's rudeness here, but in another
> context. And in both places, it was completely uncalled for. So I
> have killfiled him so that I don't have to read his crud. I honestly do
> not know if he has written anything or not these last few days. And
> I don't care. I'm not reading it!
>
> My biography, incidentally, is at http://www.alsirat.com/joel.html
> And I've been on the net since 1988.
>
> Joel GAzis-SAx
> http://www.alsirat.com
> http://www.notfrisco.com
> Politics are usually the executive expression of
> human immaturity.
> Vera Brittain

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