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From: "Teresa Cefa" <>
Subject: Re: My great grandparents paid UK taxes
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:29:27 -0000
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20011218094051.02058df0@mail.oz.net> <000901c1993c$31b94f00$7a7e1ec4@frank>


Well said Frank!!!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank W Bullen" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: My great grandparents paid UK taxes


> Hi all (and - while I'm about it - Happy New Year!)
>
> I note the suggestion that charges for access to the 1901 Census should be
> greater for non0U.K. residents.
>
> Don't know if this might apply to your recent ancestors, Mark, but it does
> apply to many thousand expatriot Brits. living in Commonwealth countries.
>
> Apart from taxes, from around 1941, (I'm not sure of the year) employees
in
> Britain were compelled to contribute to National Insurance, paying the
same
> amount, (irrespective of income?).
>
> If they later emigrated to a Commonwealth country, where they attained
> pensionable age and had an appropriate history of contributions, they were
> eventually awarded a U.K. retirement pension.
>
> Naturally, they could not benefit from that part of their contributions
that
> related to Health Insurance - that was forfeited - lost.
>
> But once awarded, despite the fact that similarly placed residents of the
> U.K. and certain other countries including the E.U. lot got annual
reviews,
> (and, presumably, these were usually upwards) such reviews were withheld
> from Commonwealth-based expatriots - some of whom had even managed to "buy
> back" missed contributions.
>
> Despite a multitude of letters to M.Ps. and similar appeals - even today,
> this iniquitous discrimination prejudices many thousands of expatriots.
> True - they have not paid U.K. income tax since emigrating, but they have
> not cost the U.K. anything either, apart from the miserly amounts granted
> years ago.
>
> One lonely widow has - to my knowledge - with no other source of income
> whatsoever, for years had to eke out her life on sixteen pounds per week
> (832 p.a.). Try it!
>
> Britain has one of the strongest currencies in the world. Through no
> fault of their own, expatriots living in South Africa face an exchange
rate
> that - just a few days ago - was 20.02:1!
>
> And some listers want to charge expatriots even more for access to the
1901
> Census!
>
> Frank W Bullen
> Johannesburg, South Africa
> Researching BULLEN and variations, NORFOLK, NORTHUMBRIA and SOMERSET
> TWEDDELL and PEEL, NORTHUMBRIA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Howells" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:20 PM
> Subject: My great grandparents paid UK taxes
>
>
> > Hi all -
> >
> > Interesting thread regarding the 1901 census. I'm wondering if my
> > ancestors' long history of paying taxes in the UK somehow entitles
> > an "outsider" like myself to the results of the censuses which they
> > paid for and appear upon?
> >
> > Heaven forbid that all of our national institutions suddenly
> > succumb to provincial temptations of charging "foreigners" more for
> > genealogical information.
> >
> > I wonder what RootsWeb should charge researchers residing outside
> > of Utah for a service such as this mailing list? After all, your
> > taxes don't support the fire, sewer, water, garbage, and police
> > protection which support the servers this mailing list runs on in
> > Provo.
> >
> > We are about to blessed with the very first completely transcribed,
> > indexed, and scanned national census to be made available online
> > anywhere in the world and you're whining about the
> > cost? Personally, I've been saving up my beer money to be able to
> > go on a census spending spree in January.
> >
> > If you can't bear the costs of the Internet version, you'll have to
> > wait until the microfiche is distributed to the major genealogical
> > libraries in the UK and use it for "free" then. Of course, there
> > is the cost of travel to the library, lunch while you're there, and
> > any other associated costs of visiting. So "free" is a relative term.
> >
> > On a similar note, let's please remember that this mailing list is
> > an international forum. We have subscribers in almost every time
> > zone around the world. Threads about "foreigners" or "outsiders"
> > are rather nonsensical in such a situation. Just remember that not
> > all of us who research for Norfolk roots share residency on that
> > unsinkable aircraft carrier off the coast of Yerp.
> >
> > Merry Cheers - Mark
> >
> >
> > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> > Genealogy, n. An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did
> > not particularly care to trace his own.
> >
> > ~ Ambrose Bierce
> >
>
>


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