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From: "Stuart Tokely" <>
Subject: Re: Bell - Murphy - Girling - Update
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:10:51 +1100


Hi Nick
Well one step closer!!
Firstly re Fathers name.I guess it depends on how much info you tell the
priest as to what goes on the certificate.
Witnesses Yes it possibly could be her father.My stepfather signed my
marriage certificate so obviously nothing to stop them

I have had a look around the records this morning.How sure are you he came
from Norfolk?I have traced two Georges about the right age .One was
registered as George Thomas the other as George Herbert so I think you can
discard those.There doesn't appear to be much else in Norfolk that fits on
age.The only thing that makes me think it could be Norfolk is his father is
given as a farmer and he obviously had a farming background given his
occupation
However
I found a registration for a George W E Bell born in Newcastle reg March qtr
1891 10B 85
His father is George 24 b Cumberland little bit unclear but I think its
Cumberland the only other thing it could be is Sunderland Grocer
Mother Hannah 24 b Newcastle
Elizabeth Robson 30 sister in law b Lumley
Martha 18 sister in law

His fathers occupation puts me off this a bit but WHO KNOWS???
Getting the certificate wouldn't help as you have all the info there from
the 1891 census. I am having problems pinning them down on the 1901 but will
keep trying.
Maybe you have a tiny piece of info that could ring some bells???
Maureen in Oz
To: <>
Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: Bell - Murphy - Girling - Update


>Hello Maureen and Stuart
>
>Thank you for looking through the Census recently.
>
>I now have the marriage certificate for George William Ernest Bell.
>below is the information found;
>Marriage date;
>George William Ernest aged 28 married Kathleen Mary Murphy aged 25 on the
>22/March/1920. at St.Mary of the Angels (Catholic)
>
>Profession/Rank;
>G.W.E. Bell Occupation "Organising Secretary of Agriculture"
>Kathleen Mary Murphy None
>
>Place of Residence: Both
>6 Colville Mansions, Kensington, London
>
>Fathers Names and Professions/Ranks;
>George Bell Farmer
>Stanislaus Murphy Indian Civil Servant (Retired)
>
>Witness:
>S.K Murphy
>N.Murphy
>
>Two points I have on the Certificate, the "Father's Name and Surname"
column
>is it normal just to use one First name?
>Second point is regarding the "In the presence of us" I assume one of the
>witnesses S.K.Murphy would not be Stanislaus Murphy Father of Kathleen Mary
>by any chance.
>
>Finally, I hope I have not confused the issue, other than G.W.E. Bell's
>father was George Bell Senior!
>
> Any further information I can find I will let you
>
>Best Wishes
>
>
>Nick
>Aberdeen, Scotland
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nick Hyde" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:40 AM
>Subject: Re: Bell - Murphy - Girling
>
>
>> Hello Stuart
>>
>> Thank you for replying to my email.
>>
>> I have not looked through the 1891 Census however, my first thoughts on
>> looking through the 1901 Census for Bell, where the number. I found
>nothing
>> for the "George William Ernest" Bell, however different combinations of
>two
>> "first names" came up with several results. Before I go any further with
>the
>> Census, I will take your advice and look for the marriage for the above,
I
>> have no information on his father, mother or other relatives.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Nick
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stuart Tokely" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 10:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: Bell - Murphy - Girling
>>
>>
>> > Hi Nick
>> > I have had a look at the 1891 census for you and there are 1786 George
>> Bells
>> > on it.!!! In Norfolk there are only 8 aged between 6yrs and 11
months.Do
>> you
>> > know his fathers name?.If not perhaps his marriage certificate could
>help
>> to
>> > get this.Try www.1837online.com.That would narrow your search .Happy to
>> look
>> > at1891 again if you can give me a little more info
>> > Maureen in Oz
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Nick Hyde <>
>> > To: <>
>> > Date: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:43 PM
>> > Subject: Bell - Murphy - Girling
>> >
>> >
>> > >Deal All
>> > >
>> > >I am trying to locate any additional information on the above persons
>> > and/or descendants.
>> > >
>> > >The following information I have required over several years during my
>> > research into lost relatives in Norfolk.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >George William Ernest Bell
>> > >Born abt 1889-92 place unknown
>> > >Married abt 1917 to Kathleen Mary Murphy place '6 Coville Mansions',
>> > Kensington, London
>> > >Date of death after 1960?.
>> > >
>> > >Further information:
>> > >
>> > >The following Electoral Registers indicate their residence in Norfolk
>for
>> a
>> > period of abt 34 years during the time both were together.
>> > >
>> > >1926 - RO Bell, George William Ernest - Wayford
>> > > PW DW Bell, Kathleen Mary - Wayford
>> > >1927 - As Above
>> > >1928 - As Above
>> > >1929 - As Above, Kathleen Mary Bell's Sister (Alice O'Connell
>> > Murphy)residing at the same place - Wayford.
>> > > Extract:
>> > > MF1089 1929(E)
>> > > Bh
>> > > Alice Murphy; Polling register of Electors 1929,
>> > Eastern Parliamentary
>> > > Division of the county of
>> Norfolk.
>> > > Polling district of Stalham
>(Bh)
>> > > Parish of Stalham
>> > > 541 RW - Murphy Alice - Wayford
>> > >1935 - Bell, G.W.E. His wife Kathleen Mary and her sister Alice Murphy
>> are
>> > registered in the parish of Mundham. "The Willows" (Farm), Mundham,
>> Norwich.
>> > >
>> > >1960 - All three resided at Birchway(s), Mundham
>> > >
>> > >That's really all I have on George William Ernest Bell, his wife
>Kathleen
>> > Mary later moved to 2 Davey Place, Loddon. she eventually died in 18 of
>> > March 1979 at "All Hallows Hospital", Ditchingham.
>> > >
>> > >As for Alice Murphy she died on the 29 of December 1960 at
Birchway(s),
>> > Mundham.
>> > >
>> > >Finally, any Girling's out there, who had a relative with the first
>> initial
>> > "J", who saw service in the First World War, rank possibly Captain in
>the
>> > Royal Artillery(Maybe) who possibly received the Military Cross for
>> bravery.
>> > >
>> > >Any information on the above persons and descendants would be
>gratefully
>> > appreciated
>> > >
>> > >Thanks
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Nick Hyde
>> > >
>> > >Aberdeenshire, Scotland
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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