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From: "Peter J Richardson" <>
Subject: Re: [NFK] RANDALL, Beverley -> Yarmouth (Re: OT, but need help)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 21:46:02 +0100
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Hello Roy,

Thanks for the reply. Responses are below:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Stockdill" <>
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [NFK] RANDALL, Beverley -> Yarmouth (Re: OT, but need help)


> From: "Peter J Richardson" <>
>
>> One of my brick walls is Anne RANDALL who became Mrs Robert ROBINSON
>> at Great Yarmouth on 22nd September 1782. The couple had seven
>> children that I have found so far baptised in Great Yarmouth between
>> 1783 and 1795. After that they disappear for a while - I think the
>> family may have been living at Limehouse in London in 1809, and one of
>> their sons (my ancestor William Wilson ROBINSON) attended school at
>> Christ's Hospital. He turns up in 1826 Norwich St Stephens where he
>> marries for a second time - I know nothing about his first marriage,
>> only that he was a widower in 1826).
>>
>> I believe Robert ROBINSON may have been a Customs House Officer at one
>> point and a tailor at another. He died aged 75 in 1832 in location
>> unknown. Anne returned to Great Yarmouth where she died in 1841. I
>> have obtained a copy of her will and she had a considerable fortune -
>> more than I would have thought would come from tailoring, though maybe
>> customs house officering was more profitable. In her will she
>> describes herself as Anne Robinson late of Beverley in the County of
>> York but now of Great Yarmouth in the county of Norfolk, so I am
>> wondering whether the customs house would have taken the Robinson
>> family around the country including Beverley or whether there was a
>> Randall family (presumably a wealthy Randall family) in Beverley.>
>
> Point one, are you absolutely certain that the Customs House Officer and
> the tailor were the same man? Robert Robinson is not exactly an
> uncommon name, after all. I do see their marriage and the baptisms of
> four children at Great Yarmouth, though only that of Mary Ann Sophia in
> 1788 is an official extraction from the parish registers.

The source for the occupation as being tailor is here:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pjrich/RobinsonWWCharterSchool.jpg

The source for the occupation of "Custom House Officer" is from Redenhall parish registers, specifically
"father's occupation" - Mary Ann Sophia Robinson married John Branch at Redenhall church on 20th June 1842.

Mary Ann Sophia Robinson is recorded as "Mary Robinson" age 45 in the household of Anne Robinson age 70 at
Regent Street Yarmouth in the 1841 census. There are two children, Anne age 9 and Robert age 6 in the same
household, whom I believe to have been children of William Wilson Robinson.

John and Mary Ann Branch were recorded at Regent Street in Yarmouth in 1851, so they possibly kept on Anne's
house after she died.


> Could I also point out that the IGI has another William Wilson Robinson,
> born and baptised at Holbeck (an area of Leeds) in 1800 and a William
> Wilson Robinson who married at Sculcoates (Kingston upon Hull) in
> 1816? It seems unlikely he was the man born at Holbeck unless he
> married at 16, so you have at least TWO other William Wilson
> Robinsons! Both are controlled extractions, BTW. I do not see the
> marriages of "your" William Wilson Robinson on the IGI but no doubt you
> are satisfied you have identified the right man.

Norwich St Stephen,
William Robinson widower OTP and Elizabeth Pulford spinster OTP were married in this church by banns on 10th
July 1826, witnesses Chas Pulford, Maria Pulford.

The baptisms of their children at Redenhall give Elizabeth as being "late Pulford" so I am fairly confident
that it is the correct marriage notwithstanding that I have not worked out who Maria Pulford was.


> There was even a third
> William Wilson Robinson apparently christened in Renfrew, Scotland, in
> 1834. So whilst we may think a name is unique, especially when there is
> another surname employed as a middle name, it very often isn't.

My William Robinson lived until 1871 - he is recorded in the 1851, the 1861 and the 1871 census at Redenhall
school as being born Great Yarmouth. His recorded age is consistant with a birth circa 1795.



> Unfortunately, Great Yarmouth is not on the NBI, so I am unable to help
> with death/burial dates. It does have seven Robert Robinsons who died in
> 1832 but none in Norfolk. Could I ask how you know he died in 1832 but
> not where?


A photocopied document - see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pjrich/WWRobinsonwritings.JPG - was in some papers
that my mother has. It looks as if it could be contemporary, though Mary Ann Sophia Branch appears to have
died in 1865 (Assumed GRO 1865Q4 Yarmouth 4b/17) rather than 1870 and I would have thought William Wilson
Robinson would have known the death date.

William Wilson Robinson and Mary Ann Sophia Branch are the only members of their generation that I have been
able to locate in census data.


> Customs officers did move around the country but tailors didn't, on the
> whole. However, it seems unlikely he would have been a customs officer
> at Beverley which, although the county town of the East Riding of
> Yorkshire, is inland.
>
> I cannot see an Anne Randall (or any variant spelling of the name)
> baptised at Beverley, but of course because she said in her will that she
> was late of Beverley it doesn't mean she was born there. There are six
> entries on the IGI for Ann Randalls (in different spellings) baptised in
> Yorkshire between 1745 and 1759.

Have any of the parish records for that part of Yorkshire been transcribed and put online by anybody other
than the IGI or FreeREG do you know?

Thanks again
Peter

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