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From: "Mrs V Atkinson" <>
Subject: Re: [NFK] Alexander - a conundrum!
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:58:24 +0100
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Thank you Julie
Vicki Atkinson


----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Harold" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [NFK] Alexander - a conundrum!


>I have Woodton for transcribing for freereg.
>
> I can confirm :
> 1763 John Alexander singleman and Mary Tibenham single woman Oct 8 by
> banns
> 1765 23 Jun John son of John Alexander and Mary Jun 23
> 1768 Elisabeth daughter of John and Mary Alexander 8 Feb
> 1771 Thomas son of John and Mary Alexander 6 Oct
> 1775 William son John and Mary Alexander 24 Oct
> 1791 Robert illegitimate son of Elizabeth Alexander born and publickly
> baptised 17 Apr
>
> No obvious Alexander burials - but this may be of interest
> 1784 Mr Richard Tibenahm from Brook formerly of this parish yeoman a
> widower a very pious and devout man. He died Januaury 12 (?) and was
> buried January 15 1784 ages 83? years (writing a bit blurry).
>
> Hope this is of interest.
>
> Julie
>> She was dr. of John Alexander & Mary Tibenham (m. Woodton,
>> 8/10/1763 - A
>> LDS member record on IGI says Norwich, but Pallots marriage index says
>> 1763,
>> Woodton)
>>
>> At present I have tentatively got her siblings as
>> 1. John ALEXANDER Chr 23 JUN 1765 Woodton (IGI)
>>
> correct
>> 2. Thomas ALEXANDER Chr 6 OCT 1771 Woodton (IGI)
>>
>
>> 3. William ALEXANDER Chr 24 SEP 1775 Woodton (IGI)
>> 4. James ALEXANDER Chr 28 Aug 1780, Topcroft (FreeReg)
>>
>> I suspect there are more.
>>
>> And her parents:-
>> John buried 18 Sep 1783, Topcroft, age 59 (FreeReg) - possible would be
>> but
>> much older than Mary.
>> Mary died 20 Mar 1822, age 78 (Grave Woodton churchyard)
>>
>> I think John (chr. 1765) could be the one who married Sarah Webb (but
>> where??).
>>
>> On the double christening. I have a few instances of a child clearly
>> being
>> christened twice. In each case where the family moved from one parish to
>> another while the children were still young.
>>
>> On the Seaton, Ceadon question. Peter mentioned the christening of Mary
>> Ann
>> Alexander (1792, Topcroft)
>> She could be the one married to James Sergeant, Woodton, 6/4/1819, and
>> the
>> Mary "Surgeon", 61, living in Poringland in the 1851 Census, who's
>> birthplace
>> is given as Shelton (not Topcroft). She's still there in 1871 as Mary
>> "Sarjeant". Hmmm! That's a bit tenuous!
>>
>> Looking at my map of the area, Topcroft and Shelton are neighbouring
>> parishes, and it is quite possible that someone living in an outlying
>> part of the
>> parish might relate to the neighbouring village, rather than the parish
>> they
>> actually lived in, and therefore name that village when asked where they
>> were
>> born. So I now go along with the suggestion that Ceadon/Seaton is
>> Shelton.
>>
>> Good luck, Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> The IGI records are all member submitted records, I really need to see
>> the
>> PRs.
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/6/2008 17:09:11 GMT Daylight Time,
>> writes:
>>
>> Vikki:
>>
>> I did the Topcroft transcription for FreeREG. The actual entry in the
>> register reads:
>>
>> "John, son of John Alexander & Sarah his wife, late Sarah Webb,
>> spinster,
>> born August 31st and privately baptized September 23 1792"
>>
>> Incidentally, on the same page, there is another Alexander family
>> getting
>> baptized - Mary Ann, daughter of
>> Thomas Alexander and Alice, late Alp, born the 14th and privately
>> baptized
>> October 21, 1792
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Peter Hyde
>> Alberta, Canada
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NFK] Alexander - a conundrum!
>>
>>
>>
>>> Vicki
>>>
>>> I have come across instances of individuals being baptised twice in
>>> different parishes like this. The possible explanations are
>>>
>>> (1) that the child was born in Topcroft, and privately baptised there
>>> soon
>>> after birth. The family subsequently moved to Wenhaston, where the
>>> vicar
>>> would have wanted to publicly baptise or receive the child before it
>>> was
>>> allowed to join the congregation. You might be able to prove this by
>>> ordering copies of the original register entries from the respective
>>> Record
>>> Offices, as these may distinguish between public and private baptisms.
>>>
>>> (2) that the mother lodged with family in Topcroft while having her
>>> first
>>> child, before going on to join her husband at Wenhaston. The child may
>>> have
>>> been privately baptised before the journey for fear it might not
>>> survive.
>>>
>>> What you probably have here, by good luck, is the timing of the move,
>>> which
>>> most likely happened between 23 Sep and 30 Dec.
>>>
>>> I had a family line that moved from Trowse to Westleton and Dunwich and
>>> back
>>> in the 18th/early 19thC, presumably drawn by an employment
>>> pportunity -
>>> fishing, perhaps?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:
>>> [mailto:]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Mrs V Atkinson
>>> Sent: 07 June 2008 10:47
>>> To:
>>> Cc:
>>> Subject: [NFK] Alexander - a conundrum!
>>>
>>> My ALEXANDER line has hit the wall at JAMES born c1791. he lived in
>>> Westleton in Suffolk from at least 1816 until his death after 1861.
>>>
>>> On the 41 census there was N for born in County, on the 51 his
>>> birthplace
>>> was given as Ceadon, Norfolk. On the 61 it was Seaton - the only place
>>> that
>>> comes close if one is thinking in dialect is Seething.
>>>
>>> As I cannot get to Norwich I have done what I can to find him on the
>>> internet, someone with an interest in this family has given a possible
>>> parentage of JOHN and SARAH WEBB.
>>>
>>> I found a John Alexander & Sarah Webb having a family christened in
>>> nearby
>>> Wenhaston with a John being baptised 30 December 1792, but it could not
>>> be
>>> my John as this is Suffolk BUT on looking at the Norfolk FreeReg site I
>>> found 23 September 1792 son of John and Sarah Webb in the TOPCROFT
>>> register.
>>> But Topcroft is nothing like Seaton - So, my problem is - is this just
>>> a
>>> fluke? could there be 2 John Alexanders marrying 2 Sarah Webbs at the
>>> same
>>> time? Did they move to Wenhaston and have the child baptised again to
>>> establish themselves there?
>>>
>>> There is one other thing to note about the baptism in Wenhaston - only
>>> the
>>> date is given - for all the later children the birthdate is given as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> I would be grateful for any lead on this puzzle!
>>>
>>> Vicki Atkinson
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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