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From: "JerryMullins" <>
Subject: [NORMAN-LIST] David Norman/Mary Sanders
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 09:50:12 -0700


For those of us that are descended from David Norman and Mary (not Nancy as
previously thought) here is the ancestry of our Mary Sanders.



Ancestors of Mary Sanders





Generation No. 1



1. Mary Sanders, born 1800 in Tennessee; died Abt. 1842 in
Williamson County, IL. She was the daughter of 2. Jacob Sanders/Saunders
and 3. Seluda Davis. She married (1) David Norman. He was the son of Henry
Norman and Ruth A?.



Notes for Mary Sanders:

FHL # Williamson Co. IL Pioneer Families - NORMAN Section



CENSUS: 1810 Census IL listed a J. Sanders in Randolph Co. IL on p. 38. He
was living in Wilkensonville IL. (Note: Williamson Co. was part of
Randolph Co. in 1810). There were 2 males under 10; 1 male 27-45; 3 females
under 10; 1 female 27-45.



TEMPLE WORK: Confirmation - 29 Mar 1994; Initiatory - 31 Mar 1994



1850 Census Williamson Co. IL p. 257 sheet 2 Dwelling 632 Family 644



Bethlehem Cemetery Records, Williamson Co. IL



Article #1: "Saga of Southern Illinois" Vol. XVII, Issue 3, page 14v -
article by Eva Skelley of Marion, IL entitled "My Earliest Ancestors in
Southern Illinois", as follows: " David Norman built a home for his first
bride, Nancy Sanders (should have been Mary). Seven children were born to
this union. The first son (born in Illinois) was named for a man David
admired very much -- Captain Francis Marion, the "Swamp Fox". This son
would become Captain Francis M. Norman, of the 110th Illinois Volunteers,
during the Civil War. A short time after the birth of their seventh child,
Nancy died, leaving David with a large family to raise."







Notes for David Norman:

David Norman distinguished himself in his adopted state of Illinois by
becoming one the Williamson County's first judges. He migrated from North
Carolinas to Smith County, Tennessee. Also migrating with his were his
brothers Jonathan and Solomon. His father, Henry and an Aunt Rhoda Norman
Abney, the widow of Paul Abney a Revolutionary War Veteran. They arrived in
Southern Illinois in about 1823. It is not known if their father Henry and
Aunt were already here or not, as some records indicate that Rhoda and Henry
arrived as early as 1820 just after the state of Illinois was created.

Illinois records show that between May of 1833 and June of 1840 David bought
240 acres of land, David is in the 1830 Census with 3 sons and wife. In the
1850 census David's place of birth was indicated as Tennessee. He was a
Justice of the Peace in Williamson County until in1857 he was appointed
Judge of Williamson County, Illinois by Governor William Bissell. The land
he purchased was done in increments, May 11, 1833 Purchased Federal Land
Sec. 22- 40 Acres; June 22, 1844 Purchased Federal Land Sec. 22- 80 Acres;
Nov. 5, 1852, purchased Federal Land Sec..22- 40 Acres; June 22, 1840,
purchased federal Land Sec. 22- 80 Acres.



Nancy Sanders Norman, David's first wife died about 1843 and he married a
much younger Susan Clope as his second wife. She lived to be over 101 years
old. David and Susan are buried in Bethlehem Cemetery, Williamson County,
Illinois. Susan Clope/Klope Norman, his second wife paid $53.00 for David's
headstone.





BIRTH: "Saga of Southern Illinois" Vol. XVII, Issue 3, page 14v - article
by Eva Skelley of Marion, IL entitled "My Earliest Ancestors in Southern
Illinois"



MARRIAGE #2: "Saga of Southern Illinois" Vol. XVII, Issue 3, page 14v -
article by Eva Skelley of Marion, IL entitled "My Earliest Ancestors in
Southern Illinois"



DEATH: "Saga of Southern Illinois" Vol. XVII, Issue 3, page 14v - article by
Eva Skelley of Marion, IL entitled "My Earliest Ancestors in Southern
Illinois"



Article #1: "Saga of Southern Illinois" Vol. XVII, Issue 3, page
14v -article by Eva Skelley of Marion, IL entitled "My Earliest Ancestors in
Southern Illinois", as follows: 'My great-great-grandfather, David Norman,
born March 8, 1800 in North Carolina, migrated with two brothers, Jonathan
and Solomon Norman from North Carolina to Smith County, Tennessee and in
1823 came to Franklin County, Illinois. They settled east of present day
Marion, Illinois on David Prairie. David Norman served as justice of the
peace in Franklin County. After Franklin County was divided into Franklin
and Williamson Counties, he was one of several to be County Judges of
Williamson County. He held this office for several years until the time of
his death in 1865. He received a patent for land near the old Bethlehem
Church. Company

musters for the militia were held at David Norman's farm, as were battalion
drills. David Norman built a home for his first bride, Nancy Sanders.
Seven children were born to this union. The first son was named for a man
David admired very much -- Captain Francis Marion, the "Swamp Fox". This
son would

become Captain Francis M. Norman, of the 110th Illinois Volunteers, during
the Civil War. A short time after the birth of their seventh child, Nancy
died, leaving David with a large family to raise. David had become involved
in the Old Bethlehem Church. A non-believer in foreign missions, he was
very firm in

dismissing any member who did not attend church regularly without good
reason, any member visiting another church, or anyone seen drinking alcohol
to the extent of being drunk. A book written by David on church rules is
now owned by a member of the Norman family. A box of his papers dated 1863
is in the

Williamson County Courthouse.' 'In 1844, Susan Klope married David Norman,
a widower with three children still at home. He was twenty-four years older
than she. When asked why she married such an old man, her reply was, "I
think he is pretty". David and Susan Klope Norman had seven children, five
boys and two girls. The first son, David Bissell, was named for the Hon.
Governor W. H. Bissell, the governor whom David served under as County
Judge. Judge David Norman died March 3, 1865, aged sixty-five years,
leaving Susan with a large family and a farm." "A few days before her death
in 1925, she fell from her invalid chair; this and her advanced age resulted
in her death. The Rev. Oscar Knight conducted funeral services October 26
and she was laid to rest beside her husband, David Norman, in the Old
Bethlehem Cemetery, north and east of Marion, Illinois."



FHL # Williamson Co. IL Pioneer Families - NORMAN Section



MARRIAGE: (2nd wife) FHL #0965414 Williamson Co. IL Clerk's Marriage Record
Book A 1839-1857 p. 44. (Wife's name spelled CLOPE).



1850 Census Williamson Co. IL p.



LAND: Between May 1833 and June 1840 David bought 240 acres of land. May
11, 1833 he purchased federal land in Section 22 (40 acres). June 22, 1844
he purchased federal land in Section 22 (80 acres). Nov 5 1852 he purchased
federal land in Section 22 (40 acres).



Karen Piper found this:

I was researching in a film at the local FHC (Film #1001235) listing a Name
Index to early IL Records and found the following info on David Norman (film
also listed 1830, 1840 & 1850 census page #s):



Norman, David - Franklin Co. Salem Prec. Candidate for Justice of the Peace,
Aug. 3, 1835. Election Returns Vol. 25, p. 40



Norman, David - Franklin Co. - Commissioned Justice of the Peace, Sept. 4,
1835. Executive Record 1832-37 Vol. 2, p. 265



Norman, David - Franklin Co. Justice of the Peace, Aug. 7, 1838. Election
Returns Vol. 33, p. 61-64



Norman, David - Franklin Co. Candidate for Justice of the Peace, Aug. 5,
1839. Justice of the Peace, Aug. 9, 1839. Election returns Vol. 38, p. 69



Norman, David - Franklin Co. Commissioned Justice of the Peace, Dec. 11,
1839. Executive Record 1837-43 Vol. 3, p. 115



Norman, David - Williamson Col. Commissioned Justice of the Peace, Jan. 18,
1840. Executive Record 1837-43 Vol. 3, p. 170



Norman, David - Williamson Co. Justice of the Peace, May 17, 1842. Election
Returns Vol. 54, p. 51



Norman, David - Williamson Co. Commissioned County Judge, June 14, 1855.
Executive Record 1852-55 Vol. 6, p. 468



Norman, David - Williamson Co. Commissioned County Judge, Nov. 23, 1857.
Executive Record 1856-60 Vol. 7, p. 224









Children of Mary Sanders and David Norman are:

i. Calvin M. Norman, born October 10, 1825 in
Tennessee; married (1) Mary Stroud November 13, 1845 in Williamson Coumty,
IL; married (2) Nancy S. Grissom March 11, 1857 in Williamson Coumty, IL.



Notes for Calvin M. Norman:

1870 Williamson County, IL census shows CM Norman, merchant age 45 and wife
Nancy, Keeps house age 29 living in Crab Orchard with children Lum 19, Mary
22, Leon 18, Marth 8, William 3 and James 1

Williamson Co. IL Pioneer Families - Norman Section



1840 Census Williamson Co. IL p. 402



1850 Census Williamson Co. IL p. 260 sheet 2 Dwelling 669 Family 681



1870 Census Williamson Co. IL p. 189 sheet 1 Dwelling 62 Family 62



1880 Census Williamson Co. IL p. 424 Dwelling 181 Family 212



1900 Census Williamson Co. IL p. 43 Dwelling 204 Family 208



MARRIAGE: Automative Archives CD#228 IL Marriages, Williamson Co. IL from

1830 to 1850 - Screen 6 of 10.



MARRIAGE: FHL #0965414 Williamson Co. IL Clerk's Marriage Record Book A

1839-1857 p. 76.



As to the birth order of the children of David and Mary (Sanders) Norman, if

you study the Federal Census records, you will find that CALVIN is always a

year older than FRANCIS MARION Norman. And, you will find that Calvin

always answers that his birthplace was Tennessee, while his brother Francis

Marion and the subsequent children of this family always give Illinois as

their birthplace. I have also studied the ages and birthplaces of the

children of Jonathan and Solomon Norman to pinpoint when the family most

likely arrived in Franklin/Williamson County.



In the 1850 Census, Calvin gives his age as 24 and his birthplace as

Tennessee. Francis Marion is 23, with a birthplace of Illinois.

(Additionally, this is the same census wherein Calvin's youngest child, my

great-grandfather Columbus "Lum" is listed as 11 months old. This Census

was not taken until October 25th [unusually late], and Lum's birthdate was

December 6th. So, if Calvin was still 24 and Francis Marion was still 23,

and the year was well advanced, there is the possibility that Calvin was

born in 1826 and Francis Marion in 1827. This would jibe with when Solomon

sold his land in Anderson County and the trek to Illinois began. I do

accept that Francis Marion was born at Shawneetown, Illinois, a spot just

after the river crossing. If his birthday is in November, I would expect

that the family made the journey several months earlier to factor in the

weather and Mary's pregnancy. Solomon Norman also disposed of his property

in Anderson County in 1827. (I am aware that Francis Marion's birthdate is

generally given as November 26, 1826 - see his obituary.)



In 1860, you will find Francis Marion, still listing Illinois as his

birthplace, and age 34. However, Calvin has aged a bit and is now 38! But

still, Tennessee is his birthplace.

And, then in 1870, Calvin is back at 45, but still, Tennessee is his

birthplace - and his son Lum continued to answer Tennessee in the Census

when asked his father's birthplace.



I know that much on what you are basing your "proof" comes from Eva

Skelly's reminiscences in "My Earliest Ancestors in Southern Illinois".

However, people hear stories differently, things may be forgotten, others

items may be embroidered upon. I believe that what was true was not that

Francis Marion was David and Mary Norman's first son, or child, but that he

was the first son BORN in the New Land of Illinois. Ms. Skelly merely

reported what were her family stories, constantly evolving and changing over

the years, and they were not necessarily "truth".



If you have other documentation, I would certainly be willing to study it

and comment upon it.





Judy Chace (Norman) Needham







Marriage Notes for Calvin Norman and Mary Stroud:

Married by R. L. Pulley, JP

Notes for Nancy S. Grissom:

1870 Williamson County, IL census shows CM Norman, merchant age 45 and wife
Nancy, Keeps house age 29 living in Crab Orchard with children Lum 19, Mary
22, Leon 18, Marth 8, William 3 and James 1

Marriage Notes for Calvin Norman and Nancy Grissom:

Married by John N. Calvert, M.G.



ii. Francis Marion Norman, born November 20,
1826 in Shawneetown, Illinois (nearby); died July 31, 1897 in WIlliamson
County, IL; married (1) Martha Whitlock January 09, 1845 in Williamson
County, IL; married (2) Leannah "Anna" Spiller October 23, 1868 in Marion,
IL; married (3) Samantha Angelina Edwards March 28, 1873 in Williamson
County, IL.



Notes for Francis Marion Norman:

1860 Census shows his occupation as merchant. Records indicate that he was a
tobacco trader. The 1870 Williamson County, IL census shows Francis Marion
Norman, livery stable owner, age 44 and wife Ann (Leanna Spiller, Keeps
house) age 49 living in Herrin Township. Also in the home ar John age 20,
listed as a farmer, Mary age 23 listed as keep house, Ciser age 18 listed as
Farmer, Henry 16, Ray age 12, Sam age 10, James age 8, Dasson (m) age 6 and
Cynthy age 3. There is also a Thackery McHenry (McHaney) age 13, he is
probably Leanna's son by her mariage to Richard T. McHaney.

Francis Marion met his wife Leanna (Anna) Spiller (McHaney) when he bought
her husband's (Richard McHaney) estate. Ms. Spiller was a daughter of the
Spiller brothers (Elijah) that settled Spillertown, Illinois. Her first
husband killed an Irishman that insulted her in 1861. He was aquitted by a
jury in the court of Judge David Norman (FM's father), as he was defending
his wife's honor.

Francis Marion Norman was a Captain in the Civil War, enlisted August 15,
1862, Company C, 110th Illinois Infantry. Forced to resign commission due to
ill health. Pemoral hernia 1863 in Missouri. He had to have an eye removed
due to disease sometime in the 1870s. At death, 7-31-1897, 7 sons and 3
daughters survive him. pg 75 " Time Traveler II ". Buried in Bethlehem
Cemetery Williamson. County, IL

Still looking for divorce info on F.M. and Leanna Spiller Mchaney Norman,
probably early 1870s.

Charla Murphy also has Flora listed a child of F.M. and Samantha, I find no
Flora in the 1880 or 1900 census, she could have been born after 1880 and
married before the 1900 or died in infancy at an early age, more research is
needed.

1860 Census Williamson Co. IL p. 76 Dwelling 501 Family 501

1870 Census Williamson Co. IL p. 55 sheet 2 Dwelling 10 Family 10

1880 Census Williamson Co. IL p. 445 Dwelling 96 Family 106

FHL # Williamson Co. IL Pioneer Families - NORMAN section.

MARRIAGE: Automative Archives CD#228 - IL Marriages, Williamson Co. IL from
1830 to 1850 - Screen 6 of 10.

MARRIAGE: FHL #0965414 Williamson Co. IL Clerk's Marriage Record Book A
1839-1857 p. 60. Also listed on p. 68 (F.M. Norman & Martha Whitlock)

Family Bible of Nellie Harrison Rich NORMAN in possession of Everett L.
NORMAN, Marion, IL

Article #1: "Saga of Southern Illinois" Vol. XVII, Issue 3, page 14v -
article by Eva Skelley of Marion, IL entitled "My Earliest Ancestors in
Southern Illinois", as follows: " David Norman built a home for his first

bride, Nancy Sanders. Seven children were born to this union. The first
son was named for a man David admired very much -- Captain Francis Marion,
the "Swamp Fox". This son would become Captain Francis M. Norman, of the
110th Illinois Volunteers, during the Civil War. A short time after the
birth of their seventh child, Nancy died, leaving David with a large family
to raise."



Obituary for Francis Marion Norman August 1897

CAPT. F. M. NORMAN

Last Saturday, July 31, 1897, at about 5 o'clock, p.m.,
Captain F. M. Norman died at his residence three miles east of the city.
within one mile of the place of his birth, the date of which was November
20, 1826. Aged 70 years, 8 months and eight days.

There are very few men ever lived in Williamson County who
were so well known or did more than Capt. Norman. From his youth to early
manhood, it is said that he was most prominent in all enterprises, and his
word went in all things of interest. He was a man of strong convictions,
earnest in all issues in which he had interest.

Politically, he was a democrat up to the breaking out of the
war, and in this line his ambition placed him among the leaders, and in 1860
made the race for sheriff with R.R. Hendrickson, John A. Ensminger and Ben
Walker, being defeated by Mr. Hendrickson by a small majority. All these
survive him.

August 15, 1862, he enlisted in the army, Captain of Company
C, 110th Illinois, where he remained until forced to resign on account of
ill health. For years after he was a great sufferer, losing an eye, caused
him almost unbearable pain.

In 1864 he was one of the recognized leaders of the
Republican party in this county, and made the race for Sheriff on the
republican ticket, against Robert Allen, democrat, who was declared elected.
Be it said that under all circumstances, he was true to his party, whether
leader or not, feeling that the party was greater than any man.

As a business man, Mr. Norman met with success and disasteer.
At one time he handled vast quantities of tobacco, merchandise, etc., and
was worth probably $30,000.00.

As a neighbor, he allowed none to be more accommidating than
himself. A wife, seven sons and three daughters survive him and attended the
funeral at Bethlehem Cemetery, near his late home last Sunday. The funeral
services were conducted by Rev. Estus, pastor of the First Baptist Church,
and also a comrade of the deceased in the 110th Illinois.



Notes for Martha Whitlock:

Her grave is at Bethlehem Cemetery. East of Marion Age 41yrs 7mos 13days



Conflicting dates on Martha's death, she is bur. Bethlehem Cem., The stone
is quite worn and I think it is 1868 and not 1863, this is logical with the
birth dates of children Cynthia and Logan and the marriage of

F.M. to Lenar Spiller Mchaney in 1868. In a family bible, Karen Piper has
found Martha's death also as 1868



Notes for Leannah "Anna" Spiller:

Her husband Richard T McHaney killed an Irishman for insulting her in 1861.
He was tried and aquitted.

1870 Williamson County, IL census shows Marion Norman, livery stable owner,
age 44 and wife Ann (Leanna Spiller), Keeps house age 49 living in Herrin
Township. Also in the home ar John age 20, listed as a farmer, Mary age 23
listed as keep house, Ciser age 18 listed as Farmer, Henry 16, Ray age 12,
Sam age 10, James age 8, Dasson (m) age 6 and Cynthy age 3. There is also a
Thackery McHenry (McHaney) age 13, he is probably Leanna's son by her
mariage to Richard T. McHaney.



Marriage Notes for Francis Norman and Leannah Spiller:

Williamson County IL Clerks marriage books Vol B. 865-1870 page 326

Notes for Samantha Angelina Edwards:

Samantha Angelina Edwards, born 6 May 1853, (two sources- Williamson Co.
Illinois death certificate and Marion Daily Republican newspaper obituary
dated Tuesday 24 Dec 1929) died 24 Dec 1929 (two sources- Williamson County
death certificate and Marion Daily Republican newspaper obituary dated
Tuesday 24 Dec 1929) She married Francis Marion Norman 28 Mar 1873 in
Williamson Co. IL (source- Williamson Co. Marriages on Record, Volume II).
She is buried in the Maplewood Cemetery in Marion, IL (source-Williamson Co.
death certificate) There were 2 children, Flora Norman and Curtis Marion
Norman. This is the only marriage we have for Samantha Angelina Edwards.





iii. Christopher Columbus Norman, born March 20,
1828 in Williamson County, IL; died January 16, 1879 in Williamson County,
IL; married (1) Mary E. Mofield; married (2) Rhoda Hannah Klope March 28,
1850 in Williamson Coumty, IL; married (3) Lavina C. Furlong November 18,
1870 in Williamson Coumty, IL; married (4) Harriet E. Sowell July 13, 1875
in Williamson County, IL.



Notes for Christopher Columbus Norman:

1870 Williamson County, IL census shows Chris Norman, farmer age 48 with a
19 year old Mary as the housekeeper. Was she his wife Mary Moefield or his
daughter Mary whose Mother was Rhoda Klope? There is also Susan age 17, his
daughter by Klope, then there are children Liny (F) age 11, Louis 2 and
Arminta age 1

Marriage Notes for Christopher Norman and Rhoda Klope:

Married by R.L. Pulley, J.P.



iv. Isaphena "Icy" Norman, born March 30, 1831
in Williamson County, IL; died November 12, 1889; married George V. Klope
November 19, 1850 in Williamson Coumty, IL.



Marriage Notes for Isaphena Norman and George Klope:

Married by J. N. Calvert, M.G.



v. James Monroe Norman, born September 1838 in
Williamson County, IL; married (1) Mary J. Groves November 17, 1856 in
Williamson County, IL; married (2) Mattie A. Brown 1892; married (3) Nancy
Thompson Aft. 1896.



Notes for James Monroe Norman:

1870 Williamson County, IL census shows JM Norman, Farmer age 30 and wife
Mary, Keeps house age 32 living in Marion with children Thoman 7, Jenora 5
and other persons Teal Wm F. age 15 and Glover Courtney 18

Source 1900 Census



Notes for Mary J. Groves:

1870 Williamson County, IL census shows JM Norman, Farmer age 30 and wife
Mary, Keeps house age 32 living in Marion with children Thoman 7, Jenora 5
and other persons Teal Wm F. age 15 and Glover Courtney 18

buried at Worley Cemetery



Marriage Notes for James Norman and Mary Groves:

Married by Jonathon Norman, J.P.



vi. Mary Elizabeth Jane Norman, born September
02, 1841 in Williamson County, IL; died 1910; married (1) John Sterling
Whitlock February 09, 1860 in Williamson County, IL; married (2) Joshua E.
Rice December 13, 1883 in Williamson Coumty, IL.



Marriage Notes for Mary Norman and John Whitlock:

Married by N. West, J.P.



vii. Cicero Norman, born Unknown.





Generation No. 2



2. Jacob Sanders/Saunders, born Abt. 1777 in Pennslvania; died
September 08, 1849. He was the son of 4. William David Saunders and 5.
Polly Emery. He married 3. Seluda Davis March 03, 1798 in Pittsylvania
County, VA.

3. Seluda Davis, born Abt. 1779 in VA; died Bef. 1839 in Illinois.
She was the daughter of 6. Thomas Davis and 7. Isbel Dyer.



Notes for Jacob Sanders/Saunders:

John, Henry, and Nancy's father, Jacob was from PA and spoke German, in
fact, some of his original papers are at the Williamson Co. Historical
Society. Some of them have notes in German and the Society had them
translated. Interesting reading. I believe there are a couple of letters to
his brother in there also. He was literate and a business man and passed
some of those traits to his children. His son, Henry bought and sold a
noticeable amount of property. Henry also bought the mill in Carbondale with
his brother-in-law. There are several interesting stories regarding their
business practices and their involvement with what we know today as Southern
Illinois University in Carbondale. (From David Norman of Williamson County,
IL)





Bought land in Williamson County 1833 or so, was father of 1st Sheriff. He
was veteran of War of 1812 out of Virginia was a Sgt. and part of the Trail
of Tears move of the Cherokee Indians. Settled with his brother in Tennessee
around Benton County before move to Southern Illinois. Source: First
Families section of the Compendium of American Genealogy, page 235.



On film #0965459 from the Family History Library containing the Estate
Papers of Williamson County, IL Vol. B 1850-1859. page 210

"May Term County Court Williamson County, IL 1853: Ordered by the Court that
David Norman and Thomas Sanders Administrators of the Estate of Jacob
Sanders, Dec'd pay all the claims allowed against said estate."

page 218

"Aug. 1, 1853 - August Term County Court Williamson County, IL

And now on this day came David Norman and Thomas Sanders Administrators of
the Estate of Jacob Sanders Dec'd and made final settlement in said estate
after paying all just claims allowed against said estate. There is found to
be in the hands of the administrators thirty-two dollars and twenty-six
cents. It is therefore ordered that the administrators pay the several
heirs of said Jacob Sanders the following sums annexed to their respective
names, to wit:

Sarah Sanders, widow 10.75

Robert West - 2.39

John D. Sanders - 2.39

Heirs - Mary Norman formerly Mary Sanders - 2.39

George W. Wright - 2.39

Thomas Sanders - 2.39

heirs - Rachel Sanders, Dec'd - 2.39

heirs - Catharine Wiggs, Dec'd - 2.39

Henry Sanders - 2.39

John Henrickson - 2.39

and that the said administrators exhibit receipts to this court for the
same."

Jacob died of pneumonia.





Notes for Seluda Davis:

Source: First Families section of the Compendium of American Genealogy, page
235.

Sarah Davis was born in VA, and migrated to SC, TN and then to Illinois with
her husband Jacob Sanders. Her son became the first Sheriff of Williamson
County. Has other children as yet unknown.





Marriage Notes for Jacob Sanders/Saunders and Seluda Davis:

In the book "Virginia Marriages" 1700-1799 page 14 lists Saludy Davis and
Jacob Saunders



Notes for Sarah Hartwell:

>From the National Archives file #SANDERS, JACOB Wt 62370-160-55 - listing
items from the pension file for Jacob Sanders are the following: (1st
document)



"State of Illinois County of Williamson

On this 5 day of September AD 1855 personally appeared before me a
justice of the Peace in and for this County and State aforesaid Sarah
Sanders who being duly sworn according to law declares that she is the widow
of Jacob Sanders who was a private in the company commanded by Capt Benjamin
Stone in the regiment commanded by col. Leftwich in the war with Great
Britain declared by this United States on the 18 day of June 1812, that he
was draughted (drafted?) in the State of Virginia some time in the year 1814
for six months and that he continued in active service in said war for the
space of six months and was honorably discharged at some point in the State
of Virginia as will appear by the muster rolls of said company the Original
Certificate of Discharge having been lost -- that she was married to the
said Jacob Sanders at the county of Franklin and State of Illinois on or
about the 27 day of June 1849 by an John P. Maddox a Justice of the Peace.
That the said Jacob Sanders died at the County of Williamson and State of
Illinois on or about the 8 day of September 1849 and that her name before
her marriage with the said Sanders was Sarah Hartwell and that she knows of
no public or private record that she can obtain to prove her marriage with
the said Sanders and that she is still a widow. She makes this declaration
for the purpose of obtaining the bounty land to which she may be entitled
under the act granting bounty land to certain officers and soldiers who may
have been engaged in the military service of the United States _____ (sp)
Sept 28, 1850 never having received bounty land or made previous
application.

Signed Sarah Sanders (her mark)



Sworn to and subscribed before me this the day and year above written.

Signed Robert L. Pulley JP



State of Illinois Williamson County

On this 5 day of Nov 1853 personally appeared before me a justice of the
peace within and for said county and state Terry T Thompson and Jonathan
Groves who being duly sworn according to law deposes and says that they were
well acquainted with Jacob Sanders and Sarah Sanders his wife referred to in
the foregoing declaration and that they lived together as husband and wife
from the time of the marriage which took place sometime in the year 1849
sand Sanders until the death of the death of the said Sanders (writing is
correct) which occurred sometime in the year 1849 and they were always
esteemed by the neighbors and all that knew them to be husband and wife and
that the said Sarah Sanders is still a widow.

Signed Jonathan Groves and T T Thompson



Sworn to and subscribed before me the day and year above written and I
certify that the above Terry T Thompson and Jonathan Groves are persons
entitled to credit.

Signed Robert L. Pulley JP



State of Illinois Williamson County

I, John H. White, Clerk of teh County Cout within and for the County and
State aforesaid do hereby certify that Robert L. Pulley whose name appears
to the above and foregoing certificate of affidavits is and was at the date
of the same an acting Justice of the Peace within and for the county and
state aforesaid and that as such full faith and credit are due to all his
official acts, I further certify that Jacob Sanders referred to in the
foregoing affidavit and declaration departed this life on or about the 8th
day of September 1849 as appears from the records of this court room on file
in my office. In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal of
office at Marion this day of November 1853 (no day given)

Signed John H. White Clk Co. Court









Children of Jacob Sanders/Saunders and Seluda Davis are:

1 i. Mary Sanders, born 1800 in Tennessee; died
Abt. 1842 in Williamson County, IL; married David Norman.

ii. John D. Sanders, born 1801 in Tennessee;
died 1875; married Martha O'Neill in Tennessee.



Notes for John D. Sanders:

Pioneer Places and Folks: First Sheriff of Williamson County, IL. Held the
auction to lay out the town of Marion.



iii. Thomas Sanders.



Notes for Thomas Sanders:

He and his brother in law, Judge David Norman were the trustees for Jacob
Sanders will



iv. Nancy Sanders, married John Hendrickson.



Notes for Nancy Sanders:

Jerry Mullins responded to my statements about MARY Sanders being the wife

of David Norman (commonly referred to as Judge David Norman) and the fact

that CALVIN Norman and not FRANCIS MARION Norman was the first child born to

this union, by asking for more information.



I am happy to provide it.



The answer to Mary Sanders being the first wife of Judge David and not Nancy

Sanders can be found in a court case. The Family History Library - Church

of the Latter Day Saints (Mormon) - has filmed the records of Williamson

County, Illinois. In film #0965459, which I have rented and reviewed,

called Estate Papers of Williamson County, Illinois, in Volume B 1850-1859,

Page 210, May Term County Court: David Norman and Thomas Sanders are

Administrators of the Estate of Jacob Sanders, Deceased, and are ordered to

pay all claims allowed against the estate.



To review, Jacob Sanders, the first father-in-law of David Norman, died

intestate in 1849. That means there was NO will and that his estate had to

be divided by the rules of the court. At that time (1849), widows were

still entitled to their thirds, or dower rights, of the estate. What was

left after the thirds were distributed to the widow, any children inherited

in equal portions, with the exception that I have seen the eldest son

inheriting a double portion. Often, distribution of property to the heirs

was patterned after a model found in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy.

Inheritance patterned after this model gave the oldest son a double portion.

If the children of the Intestate Deceased were deceased and left issue,

THEIR children (the grandchildren) inherited the portion due to the deceased

child. In 1849, there was no Equal Rights Amendment (is there now?), and

women could not inherit in their own names, unless they were unmarried or

widows. Consequently, a daughter's portion went to her husband. In a

settlement of an estate, a husband was named and sometimes the daughter's

name was mentioned paired to that husband, but often not.



Back to the Estate papers of Williamson County: Page 218

"August 1, 1853 - August Term County Court Williamson County, Illinois

And now on this day comes David Norman and Thomas Sanders Administrators of

the Estate of Jacob Sanders, Deceased, and made final settlement in said

estate after paying all just claims against said estate. There is found to

be in the hands of administrators thirty-two dollars and twenty-six cents.

It is therefore ordered that the administrators pay the several heirs of

Jacob Sanders the following sums annexed to their respective names, to wit:



Sarah Sanders, widow $10.75 (The former Sarah Hartwell, 2nd, or perhaps

3rd, wife of Jacob receives her thirds)

Robert West $2.39 [Robert is the husband of Margaret Sanders]

John D. Sanders $2.39 [Yes, the first Sheriff of Williamson County]

Heirs of Mary Norman formerly Mary Sanders $2.39

George W. Wright $2.39 [husband of Elizabeth Sanders]

Thomas Sanders $2.39

Heirs of Rachel Sanders $2.39

Heirs of Catharine Wiggs $2.39

Henry Sanders $2.39

John Hendrickson $2.39 [John is the husband of NANCY Sanders]



and that said administrators exhibit receipts to this court for the same."



Items above in [brackets] are my additions. There you have the children of

Jacob Sanders listed: Margaret Sanders West, John D. Sanders, Mary Sanders

Norman, Elizabeth Sanders Wright, Thomas Sanders, Rachel Sanders Sanders

[most likely - unless she had children out of wedlock], Catherine Sanders

Wiggs, Henry Sanders and Nancy Sanders Hendrickson.



Since Mary Sanders is called Mary NORMAN and NANCY Sanders is married to

another - John Hendrickson - there can be no doubt as to the name of the

daughter who was married to David Norman.



Jacob Sanders did have at least one more child, Daniel, but he died before

his father died, and obviously without issue as he is not named in the

settlement of the estate.

Mary Sanders Norman, familiarly called "Polly" (and so referred to by

Jacob's brother Henry of Indiana in a letter to Jacob) died about 1843.

Nancy Sanders Hendrickson was still alive at age 33 when this estate was

settled.







v. Henry Sanders.

vi. Margaret Sanders, married Robert West.

vii. Elizabeth Sanders, married George W. Wright.

viii. Rachel Sanders.

ix. Catherine Sanders.

x. Daniel Sanders.





Generation No. 3



4. William David Saunders, born 1725 in Lancaster County, Pa.; died
1816 in Pittsylvania County, Va.. He was the son of 8. Heinrich Saunders
and 9. Anna Elizabeth Mahler. He married 5. Polly Emery.

5. Polly Emery.



Notes for William David Saunders:

William David Saunders came from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and settled about
1730 in Pittsylvania County, then later in Bedford County.

Twice married, he built "The Big House," the remains of his home being on
the west side of Route 626 in Smith Mountain Lake State Park. He was buried
on the south lawn of The Big House, between the house and the road. The
cemetery was abandoned and the gravestones were removed years ago.











Children of William Saunders and Polly Emery are:

i. Henry Sanders.

ii. Catherine Saunders.

iii. Dorcas Saunders.

iv. Elizabeth Ann Saunders.

v. Lucy Saunders.

vi. Peggy Saunders.

vii. Robert Saunders.

viii. William Sanders, born Abt. 1776 in South
Carolina; died 1830 in Robertson County, TN; married Mariah Hoxworth.



Notes for William Sanders:

Received this information from William "Jeff" Lee ()



ix. Daniel Green Saunders, born February 27,
1776 in Pittsylvania County, Va.; died May 02, 1862 in Bedford County, Va.;
married (1) Frances Davis November 08, 1804 in Bedford County, Va.; married
(2) Sarah Florentine Brown May 27, 1844.



Notes for Daniel Green Saunders:

Daniel Green Saunders, donor of the site of Moody Meeting House at

Smith Mountain Lake State Park, was the beginning (in 1790) of the

present Staunton Baptist Church.

Daniel G. Saunders married Miss Frances Davis of Pittsylvania County

in 1804 and with her had 14 children. He later married Sarah

Florentine Brown, of Bedford County, Va., and with her had 4 more

children.

He purchased land in Bedford County in 1805 and built his home on the

Roanoke (Staunton) River and called it "Ivy Cliff". He died March 2,

1862 and was buried alongside his first wife in the family cemetery at

Ivy Cliff. When the dam creating Smith Mountain Lake was being

constructed, the home was to be under the waters of the lake. Danile

and Frances' bodies were removed to the Radford Baptist Church

Cemetery.



10. DANIEL GREEN10 SAUNDERS, SR. (WILLIAM DAVIS9, HEINRICH8, ?7, UNKNOWN6,
UNKNOWN5, THOMAS4 SAUNDERS, UNKNOWN3, LAWRENCE2 SAUNDERS, THOMAS1) was born
February 27, 1776 in Pittsylvania County, Virginia, and died March 02, 1862
in Bedford County, Virginia. He married (1) SARAH BROWN. He married (2)
FRANCES ELIZABETH DAVIS November 08, 1804 in Pittsylvania County, Virginia,
daughter of THOMAS DAVIS and UNKNOWN DYER. She was born December 1778 in
Pittsylvania County, Virginia, and died June 10, 1835 in Bedford County,
Virginia.



Notes for DANIEL GREEN SAUNDERS, SR.:

Info: Occupation was Farmer. He lived at "Ivy Cliff" in Bedford County,
Virginia. Died at Ivy Cliff, buried there, later moved to Radford Church
Cemetery. Place of Burial: Radford Baptist Church Cemetery, Moteta, Virginia



Sources: "Trent and Saunders Families of Virginia" by Drema Swader at
http://genealogy.drema.com/ lists sources as:

Saunders file #1, Bedford County Museum, bedford County, Va.

The Bedford-Bulletin Democrat, July 25, 1968, Sec. 3, Page 1

Hinshaw "Encyclopedia of Amer. Quaker Genealogy" (Jones Memorial Library,
Lynchburg, Virginia)

Automated Archives Inc. Marriage Records, Southern States, Vol. 1 (CD 229)

Melvin A. Scott, Raney Collection, (Vol. 59, 60), Roanoke Public Library,
Roanoke, Virginia



Notes for Frances Davis:

Notes for FRANCES ELIZABETH DAVIS:

Info: Died at Ivy Cliff, Buried there, later moved to Radford Church
Cemetery. Place of burial: Radford Baptist Church Cemetery, Moneta, Va.





Sources: "Trent and Saunders Families of Virginia" by Drema Swader at
http://genealogy.drema.com Lists sources as:

Saunders Family Bible, Bedford County Lbrary, Bedford County, Virginia.

Viemister, Peter, " A History of Bedford Co.", Lynchburg Library, Lynchburg,
Virginia.

Cemetery, Radford Cemetery, bedford, Virginia

Automated Archives Inc. Marriage Records, Southern States, Vol. 1 (CD 229)





2 x. Jacob Sanders/Saunders, born Abt. 1777 in
Pennslvania; died September 08, 1849; married (1) Seluda Davis March 03,
1798 in Pittsylvania County, VA; married (2) Sarah Hartwell June 27, 1839 in
Franklin County, IL.

xi. John Benjamin Saunders, born February 28,
1785 in Bedford County, Va.; died August 10, 1864 in Bedford County, Va.;
married Mary "Polly" Lazenby May 04, 1809 in Bedford County, Va..



6. Thomas Davis, born Abt. 1746 in VA; died Abt. 1835. He was the
son of 12. John Davis and 13. Susanna Smithson. He married 7. Isbel Dyer.

7. Isbel Dyer.



Notes for Thomas Davis:

Thomas inlisted in Captain James Dillard's company from Pennsyvania County
VA in 1776. Enlisted at Guinnis Island, also served under General Green
against Cornwallis. Source: First Families section of the Compendium of
American Genealogy, page 235. His wife is listed as Isabel Dyer Davis







Children of Thomas Davis and Isbel Dyer are:

3 i. Seluda Davis, born Abt. 1779 in VA; died
Bef. 1839 in Illinois; married Jacob Sanders/Saunders March 03, 1798 in
Pittsylvania County, VA.

ii. Frances Davis, born 1778 in Pittsylvania
County, Va.; died June 10, 1835 in Bedford County, Va.; married Daniel Green
Saunders November 08, 1804 in Bedford County, Va..



Notes for Frances Davis:

Notes for FRANCES ELIZABETH DAVIS:

Info: Died at Ivy Cliff, Buried there, later moved to Radford Church
Cemetery. Place of burial: Radford Baptist Church Cemetery, Moneta, Va.





Sources: "Trent and Saunders Families of Virginia" by Drema Swader at
http://genealogy.drema.com Lists sources as:

Saunders Family Bible, Bedford County Lbrary, Bedford County, Virginia.

Viemister, Peter, " A History of Bedford Co.", Lynchburg Library, Lynchburg,
Virginia.

Cemetery, Radford Cemetery, bedford, Virginia

Automated Archives Inc. Marriage Records, Southern States, Vol. 1 (CD 229)



Notes for Daniel Green Saunders:

Daniel Green Saunders, donor of the site of Moody Meeting House at

Smith Mountain Lake State Park, was the beginning (in 1790) of the

present Staunton Baptist Church.

Daniel G. Saunders married Miss Frances Davis of Pittsylvania County

in 1804 and with her had 14 children. He later married Sarah

Florentine Brown, of Bedford County, Va., and with her had 4 more

children.

He purchased land in Bedford County in 1805 and built his home on the

Roanoke (Staunton) River and called it "Ivy Cliff". He died March 2,

1862 and was buried alongside his first wife in the family cemetery at

Ivy Cliff. When the dam creating Smith Mountain Lake was being

constructed, the home was to be under the waters of the lake. Danile

and Frances' bodies were removed to the Radford Baptist Church

Cemetery.



10. DANIEL GREEN10 SAUNDERS, SR. (WILLIAM DAVIS9, HEINRICH8, ?7, UNKNOWN6,
UNKNOWN5, THOMAS4 SAUNDERS, UNKNOWN3, LAWRENCE2 SAUNDERS, THOMAS1) was born
February 27, 1776 in Pittsylvania County, Virginia, and died March 02, 1862
in Bedford County, Virginia. He married (1) SARAH BROWN. He married (2)
FRANCES ELIZABETH DAVIS November 08, 1804 in Pittsylvania County, Virginia,
daughter of THOMAS DAVIS and UNKNOWN DYER. She was born December 1778 in
Pittsylvania County, Virginia, and died June 10, 1835 in Bedford County,
Virginia.



Notes for DANIEL GREEN SAUNDERS, SR.:

Info: Occupation was Farmer. He lived at "Ivy Cliff" in Bedford County,
Virginia. Died at Ivy Cliff, buried there, later moved to Radford Church
Cemetery. Place of Burial: Radford Baptist Church Cemetery, Moteta, Virginia



Sources: "Trent and Saunders Families of Virginia" by Drema Swader at
http://genealogy.drema.com/ lists sources as:

Saunders file #1, Bedford County Museum, bedford County, Va.

The Bedford-Bulletin Democrat, July 25, 1968, Sec. 3, Page 1

Hinshaw "Encyclopedia of Amer. Quaker Genealogy" (Jones Memorial Library,
Lynchburg, Virginia)

Automated Archives Inc. Marriage Records, Southern States, Vol. 1 (CD 229)

Melvin A. Scott, Raney Collection, (Vol. 59, 60), Roanoke Public Library,
Roanoke, Virginia









Generation No. 4



8. Heinrich Saunders, born November 16, 1703 in Holland; died
October 17, 1772 in Virginia. He married 9. Anna Elizabeth Mahler.

9. Anna Elizabeth Mahler, born August 1701; died May 23, 1750.







Children of Heinrich Saunders and Anna Mahler are:

i. Anna Saunders.

ii. Catherine Saunders.

iii. Elizabeth Saunders.

iv. Eva Saunders.

v. Maria Saunders.

vi. Jacob Saunders.

4 vii. William David Saunders, born 1725 in
Lancaster County, Pa.; died 1816 in Pittsylvania County, Va.; married (1)
Polly Emery; married (2) Ann Dove Abt. 1797 in Pittsylvania County, Va..



12. John Davis, born 1705 in Welshman. He was the son of 24.
Father of John Davis. He married 13. Susanna Smithson 1728 in Hanover, VA.

13. Susanna Smithson, born 1709. She was the daughter of 26. John
Smithson and 27. Elizabeth.







Children of John Davis and Susanna Smithson are:

6 i. Thomas Davis, born Abt. 1746 in VA; died
Abt. 1835; married Isbel Dyer.

ii. Samuel Davis, born 1740.

iii. William Davis.

iv. Micajah Davis.

v. Evan Davis.

vi. Mary Davis.

vii. Anne Davis.

viii. Richard Davis.





Generation No. 5



24. Father of John Davis.





Child of Father of John Davis is:

12 i. John Davis, born 1705 in Welshman; married
Susanna Smithson 1728 in Hanover, VA.



26. John Smithson, born March 28, 1680 in Northcumberland Shire,
England; died 1761 in Fluvana, Lunenberg Co., VA. He married 27. Elizabeth
January 11, 1693 in Barnard Castle, Durham, England.

27. Elizabeth, born 1671.



Notes for John Smithson:

Data received from:

Terry Smithson Hildreth

1166 Villa Flora Dr.

O'Fallon, MO 63366





NOTES FOR JOHN SMITHSON:

John SMITHSON was born about 1675 in Northumberland, England.(1) He
immigrated about 1700 to Virginia.(2) Dunkin Bohannan of Gloucester Co.,
VA claimed "headright" land in 1704 for the transportation of John SMITHSON
to the Colonies. However, it was not unusual for men to hold these
headright certificates for several years until they accumulated enough for a
large tract of land. Therefore, we cannot be certain exactly when John
SMITHSON came.

He was a teacher between 1710 and 1760 in VA.(3) He was a surveyor of
roads between 1740 and 1745 in Lunenburg Co., VA.(4) He died in 1761 in
Lunenburg Co., VA.(5)



His will: "In the name of God Amen I John Smithson of Cornwell Parish in
the County of Lunenburgh Planter Being of Sound and disposing mind and
memory do make and ordain this my last will and Testatment in manner and
form following that is to say Imprimis first I give and bequeath my sole

(sic) to God and Secondly I do give unto my Loving wife all my estate good
and chattles and personal estate whatsoever Lastly I do make and Consititute
my sade (sic) wife sole executrix of this my Last will and Testament dated
this sixth day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred

and sixty.

In presents (sic) of us: Robert Breedlove, Isbell Johnson Breedlove, John
J Smithson (his mark) Kindness Shorter



At a court for Lunenburgh County the first Day of December 1761 The within
written Last Will and Testament of John Smithson deceased was exhibited in
court and the same was proved by the oaths of all the witnesses thereto
subscribed and the same is ordered to be recorded. He has reference number
01408.



1. Estimated from ages of children, etc.

2. Nugent. Caveliers and Pioneers. Abstracts of Virginia Land Grants and
Patents.

3. Estate settlement.

4. Parish Records. Vestry book of Cumberland Parish, Lunenburg Co., VA
area.

5. Probate records. Will on file, Lunenburg Co., VA, Bk. 1, p. 336.

6. Ibid. Will on file, Lunenburg Co., VA.

7. Smithsons and Relatives, Dr. J. H. Smithson, privately published, 1981.



Prepared by:

Mildred Wright Fournier

PO Box 1967

Lake City, FL 32056-1967

e-mail:

(904) 752-2292



Sent by Carol Aldinger:

I have very slightly different data on John and Francis, and it comes from
xeroxes of pages from

>Hezekiah P. Smithson III, Ancestors & Decendants< .



John Smithson Sr. Date born 1680, Date died 1761 same as you had.

Wife Elizabeth born 1671

Francis Smithson Sr. Date died 26 June 1783

Wife Sare Edward Chiles born 1707-1710 and died April 1797.









Marriage Notes for John Smithson and Elizabeth:

Date and place of marriage from the LDS files. Not uncommon for a boy of 13
or so to be married at that time in history.



Children of John Smithson and Elizabeth are:

13 i. Susanna Smithson, born 1709; married John
Davis 1728 in Hanover, VA.

ii. John Smithson ,Jr., born 1710.

iii. Francis Hugh Smithson, born 1718 in
Hanover, Louisa, Virginia; died December 07, 1784 in Lunenburg, , Va;
married Sarah BARTLEY Abt. 1739 in Mecklenburg, Virginia.

Jerry Mullins - Colfax, CA.
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