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From: "Clare Higgins" <>
Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] The Irish Volunteers
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:59:37 -0400
In-Reply-To: <004a01c6f25d$1f4da3a0$7976eb3f@default>


I take it that in the song "The Orange and the Green" (me father he was
orange and me mother she was green) refers to the Orange Order.

Thanks so much for all the info, everybody. I was wondering how much of an
impact a group based in New York could have on the goings-on in Ireland!
Say, does this group email photographs? I have a photograph of my
great-grandfather and two of his brothers in their Irish Volunteer uniforms.
I'd like to send it to the group as an attachment. Can this be done? It'd be
fun if possible.

Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:]
On Behalf Of Thomas Crane
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:29 PM
To: ; CIARAN COLGAN
Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] The Irish Volunteers

Oh my!

If there is a place for some people to put their foot in it, they usually
find it. We can only pity those who are constantly looking for a place to
clean off their boots as things can get quite messy at times.

God bless & Erin go braugh!

Tom Crane (USA)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Liz Haren" <>
To: "CIARAN COLGAN" <>; <>
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [NY-IRISH] The Irish Volunteers


> To compare the Irish Volunteers to the racist, anti-Catholic,
> narrow-minded, ignorant, knuckle dragging Orange Order, is insulting.
>
>
> On 10/17/06, CIARAN COLGAN <> wrote:
> > Clare
> >
> > There is reference to Volunteers in various episodes of Irish history.
They
> > were in the main voluntary organisations which were amateur military
> > organisations raised during periods of independence struggles with
political
> > aspects and usually linked to politicians who wanted an Irish Parliament
or
> > more independence. These organisations became very formidable pressure
> > groups.
> >
> > A modern day example would be the Orange Order. The last such movements
for
> > the Nationalist community would have the I R B and for the non
Nationalist
> > would have been the Ulster Volunteer Force. It was a splinter group of
the
> > IRB who organised the 1916 Rising gradually transforming themselves into
the
> > IRA.
> >
> > I note that your notes may refer to an organisation in N. J. which may
have
> > been specific to N. J. However all the bigger known Irish Volunteer
> > movements had strong connections with the Irish Community in the USA and
> > found inspiration funding and leadership from sister organisations in th
> > USA.
> >
> > I hope the above helps your understanding.
> >
> >
> > ciaran colgan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Clare Higgins" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 1:12 PM
> > Subject: [NY-IRISH] The Irish Volunteers
> >
> >
> > > Hi, everybody. Can someone tell me what the "Irish Volunteers" were
all
> > > about? What where they volunteering for? My maternal great-grandfather
and
> > > two of his brothers were members in New York City during the 1890's.
My
> > > paternal great-granduncle, John Higgins, was also a member, in Hudson,
NY.
> > >
> > > In my grandfather's research notes, it says under John's name, "Irish
Run
> > > LA/Soldier, 14th N.Y. Vols." I have no idea what "Run LA" means. Does
> > > anybody? Please advise. Thank you.
> > >
> > > Clare Higgins
> > >
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