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From: Allrelated <>
Subject: [NY-MOHAWK-VALLEY] Barse, Barsh, Bersch, Borsch, Boersch, Buers,Burs, Pears, Lapp, Lapping, Lappin, Eigenbrodt, Eygabroad,Eigenbroad, Eigenbrod, Eigenbrood, Hess
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:56:47 -0700


Hi, all! I'm new to this list. I have also x-posted this to the NY-German
list and parts of this message earlier to the Tryon mailing list. I hope
someone may have some information, or that this information may aid someone
else who is researching this family.

I have just now been able to piece together that the reason why my
gggggrandfather, John Barse, hasn't appeared anywhere in earlier records was
because he was born "Johannes Bersh" in Feb. 1793, and his whole family
prior to 1800 was either "Barsh," "Buers," "Burs," "Borsch," and "Pears."
The Barse spelling didn't seem to come into play until the early 1800s.

I have made this "leap of faith" from Barse to Barsh because I discovered
that the Herkimer County Barses had spelled their names Barsh earlier. There
are records showing the same Adam Barsh as Adam Barse and references to a
Catherine Bersch (later proved to be Barse.) The date for my John Barse is
on target. The dates from census reports show him born about 1794. The
baptismal records of St. John's Reformed Church show a John Barsh (Johannes
Bersch) born on 24 Feb 1793. He was the son of Adam Barsh, Jr. and wife Anna
Eigenbrod, grandson of Adam Barsh, Sr. and Anna Eva Unknown, greatgrandson
of Ludwig Barsh and possible Hess, and greatgreatgrandson of Ludwig Buers
and Maria Catharina Lapp (Lappin, Lapping).

Ludwig Buers and his wife came on the 5th Palatine ship, the Hartwell, in
1710 to West Camp, NY, to make tar for the British Navy. (what a hard life
that must have been! Reading about the early days in West Camp gives me all
the more respect for the hardiness of our forebears.) Catharina's father was
Hans Georg Lapp, who died on the ship in 1710, and her mother was Agnes Lapp
(Lappin). She shows up on Hunter's Subsistence List as head of a family.

In 1723, Barshes (Barses, Pears, et al.), Ludwig and Catharina moved to
Burnetsfield and were two of the original Burnetsfield Patents patentees.
They were also founding subscribers to the The Old Fort Herkimer Church.

I am interested in any information on Anna Eigenbrodt, the Anna Eva surname
unknown, and the possible Hess who married the Ludwig, Jr. There is an
Elizabeth Eigenbrodt on some of the Palatine NY lists in 1711, but of her
descendants I find nothing. The sponsor for the baptism of my
g...grandfather, Johannes Bersch/John Barse, was a Maria Eigenbrod. There
must be a relationship, but it doesn't pop out of the available records.
There are a Johannes Eigenbrood, a George Eigenbrodt, whose father was named
George, and I wondered if Anna could be a sibling of George, Sr. Peter
Eigenbrodt is too young to be a contemporary of Anna. Apparently the
Herkimer records were burned in 1804, so the Herkimer County historian could
tell me nothing further about her. If anyone has any info on Anna
Eigenbrodt's forebears and the identity of Anna Eva and ? Hess, I'd
appreciate it greatly.

I would also be very interested if anyone has information on the identity of
John Barse/Barsh's wife, Betsey, who was born 13 Apr 1788 and died 27 Apr
1861. I am trying to find her maiden name. She was supposedly born in
Vermont, per some census records, but it may have been NY. They were married
at least by 1814. There just weren't that many people there at the time.
Because of John's son C.V.B. Barse's naming his son Mills Wagner Barse, I am
expecting that Betsey (C.V.B.'s mother) may have been a Wagner (Wagener,
Waggoner) or a Mills/Millis. The Wagner and Mills family names continued on
as first and middle names in that side of our family.

This has been another case of family history getting in the way! Family lore
had George Randolph Barse, Sr. as the father of my greatgreatgrandfather,
John Frederick Barse. It wasn't until I discovered some months ago that G.R.
Barse couldn't possibly have been his father that I started this oddyssey of
census reports, deeds, church records, etc. Because there was a belief that
the two families *were* related (this belief was confirmed in a letter from
my greatgrandfather to my grandmother), I began to assume that the
connection came in Holland, from where George Barse emigrated in 1792 with
sons Charles and George Randolph. They went to Fulton County, NY. Of course,
he may also have been a true Palatine, just waiting in Rotterdam for the
next ship out!

Now that I know that *our* Barse/Barsh family actually came to NY in 1711,
it is possible that there is, in fact, no connection to the G.R. Barse
family, and that both families just assumed there was because of the name
similarity by the early 1800s. On the other hand, there is no reason to
disregard the possibility that the connection to George Barse's family was
just much further up the tree.

There has been a family assumption that the origin of the family was
Holland. I am working on trying to find that out now. It is possible that
they were not Dutch, but *actual* Palatines.

If anyone has any information on these Barsh, Wagner, Mills/Millis
connections or my Betsey Barse (nee ?), I'd appreciate it.

Cheers,
Allrelated

--
"As is the generation of leaves, so is that of humanity. The wind scatters
the leaves on the ground, but the live timber burgeons with leaves again in
the season of spring returning. So one generation of men will grow while
another dies." Iliad, VI.146-150, trans. Lattimore.

So, tell me again, why the heck am I raking up all these leaves?

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