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From: Cliff Lamere <>
Subject: [NYALBANY] Military Schedules for 1890 NY census survived
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 10:07:31 -0400


This is the third day in a row that I am sending this. The other two attempts failed.
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I have never seen a census military schedule, but I went online to learn something about them. Below is some of the
information that I found.

For example:
title - U.S. Federal Census indexes (and other related census indexes) for New York from 1790 to 1890.

"1890 Veterans Schedule; 1890 Naval Veterans Schedule; Early Census Index."

http://www.familyhistory.com/db.asp?dbid=3564 This is the same as Ancestry.com

I have to wonder if the Index contains all of the missing names from the population schedule and maybe even their county and
town. Or is it just an index of the the military schedules? Anyone know? The following NARA webpage hints that ALL
names might be available. Even an index could be useful. If someone has used the microfilm, it would be helpful to know what
kind of information accompanies the name. Does it give at least the state, county and town or city?

1890 "This census is indexed by microfilm publication M496, Index to
the Eleventh Census of the United States, 1890, Roll 1
(surnames A-J), Roll 2 (surnames K-Z). A Department of
Commerce fire in 1921 destroyed most of the 1890 census."

http://www.archives.gov/research_room/genealogy/census/using_census_microfilm_catalogs.html

To get an idea of the questions asked on the military schedule, go to the next URL and look at the html versions transcribed by
Ted and Carole Miller which have more categories of data online than the ones transcribed by R. J. Christensen. Check both
to see the differences. It is Nebraska data, but it would have been the same questions throughout the country.

http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ne/state/1890cens.htm

In another place I found this:
"A fire destroyed many 1890 population and special schedules, and water used to extinguish the blaze badly damaged many
more. As a result, the government disposed of most schedules. This catalog lists the three rolls of microfilm that reproduce the
few remaining 1890 population schedules or fragments and notes the two-roll index. These schedules are important because
they included many new questions featured in later censuses. For example, the 1890 census asked questions about
immigration, a topic discussed in "Immigrant and Passenger Arrivals: A Select Catalog of National Archives Microfilm
Publications." This census also inquired about home ownership.

This catalog ends with a list of the remaining 1890 "Special Schedules . . . Enumerating Union Veterans and Widows of
Veterans of the Civil War" (M123). These schedules are most important for providing data about the military service of
veterans, including some Confederates. This data can help researchers access sources discussed in "Military Service
Records." The information about post office addresses and sometimes streets and house numbers can lead outside the
National Archives to important nonfederal records such as deeds, tax lists, and other property records that are mostly kept at
local levels."

http://www.genealogy.org/census/intro-2.html

The following quote lists the states for which the military schedules exist.
"One of the items that did survive the fire at the Commerce Dept was the Veteran's Schedules for 1890
for the Special Census of Union veterans and Widows of Veterans in 1890. Not all of the schedules
survived but those for; DC, about half of Kentucky, and Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts,
Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey,
New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Indian Territory, Oregon,
Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, US ships and navy
yards, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming did survive. These films
are found the Records of the Veterans Administration, Record Group 15. They are available from the
same sources as the Census Microfilm."

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/census/1890census.html

There are a two places in the entire state of NY for which the 1890 Population schedule survived. They were
Eastchester (town or hamlet) in Westchester County, and
Brookhaven (town) in Suffolk County

>From what I read, it was possible for a community to pay for copies of the census to be sent to them. Very few ordered
them. The data that survives may be from those copies that were made.

Cliff




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