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From: gallfour <>
Subject: Re: [Bklyn] O'Donnell , Creen, Kerner, Miner, Harriagan
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:08:19 -0400
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Kathleen,
I believe 'Dolton Landing' should be 'Bolton Landing'---a town on Lake
George in upstate New York. Lake George is a major historical and recreation
area.
-Pat Gallagher


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From: "Kathleen" <>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: [Bklyn] O'Donnell , Creen, Kerner, Miner, Harriagan


> Greetings,
>
> In case I haven't introduced myself as I joined a couple new list due to
> encouagement and help my name is Kathleen O'Donnell Grone and I live in
> the beautiful Black Hills of SD. I am trying to learn a LOT more about my
> family-- Thank you in advance for any help and if I can be of assistance,
> please ask.
>
> My father was raised in St. Vincent's orphanage, along with two of his
> brothers. My Dad entered the orphanage at the age of 7 when his mother
> died. His father was a NY policeman at the time and felt he couldn't
> handle 6 children. The girls and youngest son went to live with family
> and/or friends. He left the orpanage when he was 16, entering the Air
> Force. His name is Edwin Allen "Allen" O'Donnell. His brothers Eugene and
> Kenny also lived at St. Vincents. Kenny spent much of his time in the
> hospital. In the service my Dad got the nickname "OD". He was in the AF
> for 20 years, then taught college for 25 years.
>
> I want to learn more about the orphanage, how my father grew up, see if
> there were census records, other records on my Dad. My Dad was born in
> 1931 in Brooklyn.
>
> One of the things my Dad loved was the movies- ""I must admit that when I
> was a boy, and a young man, I was a true movie "buff"... every weekend
> when I had a few nickels and the time,
> I was in the local movie house! It was called the Boro Hall Theater;
> in the Borough Hall section of Brooklyn, New York. And my heroes ----
> Jimmy Cagney, Bette Davis,
> Spencer Tracy, Lana Turner, and on and on and on. The great movies
> were the one's that had Cagney as the good guy, and Bogart as the bad
> guy!" Do any of you know where I could find a picture of the theatre?? I
> am not sure I spelled it right.
>
> My grandfather Lester A. O'D was born in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn,
> but I don't know which street. Sometime after he retired from the NYPD he
> moved to Yonkers. He also worked for Lake George Camping Company, Dolton
> Landing. Do you know where that is? I know he had a home in the Catskills
> as well, more of a cabin with no running water or electricity.
>
> I know my great grandfather, James J. was born on Presidents Street. Do
> you know which part of Brooklyn that is in? His first wife Mary Harriagan
> (my great grandmother died on "216 Hoyt Street, a tenement in Brooklyn")
> as a very young woman as well, four days after childbirth. James died on
> his way home from work. He and his second wife Charlotte lived at - 265
> 89th Street in Brooklyn. Charlotte was Isabell's mother.
>
> Mother and daughter married Father and son- This confused me for years
> when I was young. It was James and Charlotte second marriages.
>
> For a short while Lester and Isabell lived in Queens, as this is where my
> Dad's mother died, on Colfax Street.
>
> My great grand grandparents Michael and Mary Dineen O'Donnell lived on
> Whitehall Street according to his naturalization papers. I am told
> Whitehall is in Brooklyn??
>
> I do have some pictures of the family if any on the list might be related
> or interested. According to family lore Michael and Mary came with family-
> brothers and sisters. Mary had 7 children and two lived. Some family said
> that some of the children died on the way over. This is confirmed by a
> census and I must admit it really surprised me to find it.
> _______________________________________
>
> The 1900 census, Brooklyn, Ward 29, Ft Hamilton Ave in NY has the
> following
> entry:
> Eli A. Kellem, 29 yrs old, born Sept 1870 in NJ, Father born in NJ, mother
> born in SC, occupation-pipe fitter
> Alice F., wife, 28 yrs old, born Dec 1871 in NY, father born in Ireland,
> mother born in Ireland, married for 8 yrs, had 8 children with 3 living
> Alice F., daughter, age 6, born Oct 1893 in NY
> Albert J., son, age 3, born Nov 1896 in NY
> Ethel M., daughter, age 1, born Oct 1898
> Mary E. O'Donnell, mother-in-law, age 58, born April 1842 in Ireland,
> father
> born in Ireland, mother born in Ireland, widow, had 7 children with 2
> living;
> to the United States in 1863, in this county for 37 years. (These dates
> tie in perfectly with the ships records!)
>
> Irish to America, 1846-1865 (Thank you to Lindel!)
> O'Donnell, Michael Age : 25
> O'Donnell, Mary Age : 23
> Country of Origin : Ireland
> Date of Arrival : May 20, 1863
> Final Destination : USA
> Port of Debarkation : New York
> Ship's Name : Bridgewater
> Manifest ID Number : 901923
> Port of Embarkation : Liverpool
> Purpose for Travel : Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA
> Mode of Travel : Steerage
>
> Descendants of Michael O'Donnell
>
> 1 Michael O'DONNELL b: Abt. 1837 in Inishkeel Parish, County Donegal,
> Ireland d: in New York
> .. +Mary E. DINEEN b: April 1842 in Limerick, Ireland d: Aft. 1910 in New
> York m: in Donegal, Ireland -- (I am not sure if she was born in Limerick.
> There are a few Dineens near where Michael lived. )
> ... 2 Alice Faye O'DONNELL b: December 1871 in County Donegal, Ireland
> d: in New York (Her father-in-law signed Michael O'D's naturalization
> papers).
> ....... +Eli A. KILLEM b: 1870
> ......... 3 Alice KELLEM
> ......... 3 Albert KELLEM
> ......... 3 Ethel KELLEM
> ... 2 James J. O'DONNELL b: July 17, 1880 in President Street, New York
> City, New York d: December 8, 1931 in Brooklyn, New York
> ....... +Mary HARRIGAN b: 1881 in Brooklyn, New York d: January 28, 1914
> in Brooklyn, New York m: Abt. 1900 in New York (Father John, they lived
> near the O'D's).
> ......... 3 Edwin O'DONNELL b: 1905 in New York d: in New York
> ............. +LOUISE
> ......... 3 Lester Aloyisius O'DONNELL b: August 30, 1908 in Flatbush,
> Brooklyn, New York d: March 2, 1992 in Yonkers, New York
> ............. +Isabell M. CREEN b: October 5, 1905 in Brooklyn, New York
> d: October 1, 1938 in Queens County, New York m: 1923 in Brooklyn, New
> York
> ......... *2nd Wife of Lester Aloyisius O'Donnell:
> ............. +Dorothy Mary SCHULTZ b: May 3, 1918 in New York City, New
> York m: March 18, 1940 in New York City, New York
> ......... 3 James George O'DONNELL b: February 8, 1909 in Brooklyn, New
> York d: in New York
> ............. +Isabelle CARBERRY b: November 25, 1907 in Helensburgh,
> Scotland d: February 1989 in Brooklyn, New York
> ......... 3 Leroy O'DONNELL b: January 23, 1914 in New York d: Aft. 1984
> in New York
> ... *2nd Wife of James J. O'Donnell:
> ....... +Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER b: November 27, 1886 in Brooklyn, New
> York d: March 13, 1959 in New York m: 1923 in New York
> ......... 3 Charlotte Louise O'DONNELL b: January 20, 1927
> ............. +VASSALLO
> ......... 3 Albert O'DONNELL b: 1929
> ......... 3 John "Jack" O'DONNELL b: 1931
>
> Descendants of Rufus Joseph Creen-- I would also like to find out anything
> about the extremely elusive Rufus-- on some census it is spelled Ruffus.
> Rufus' father was John Creen and his mother Annie Miner. The lived in
> Manhatten in 1904 census. Rufus was married to Charlotte at the time.
> Rufus was known as a "philanthropist, a real rogue" and Charlotte dispite
> her Catholic faith divorced him. He sometimes went by Joseph instead of
> Rufus. I hope to find where in Ireland he came from.
>
> 1 Rufus Joseph CREEN b: Abt. 1880 in New York City, New York d: Abt.
> 1940 in New York
> .. +Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER b: November 27, 1886 in Brooklyn, New York
> d: March 13, 1959 in New York m: October 26, 1904 in New York
> ... 2 Jessica CREEN b: 1911
> ... 2 Joseph CREEN
> ... 2 Isabell M. CREEN b: October 5, 1905 in Brooklyn, New York d:
> October 1, 1938 in Catskills, New York
> ....... +Lester Aloyisius O'DONNELL b: August 30, 1908 in Flatbush,
> Brooklyn, New York d: March 2, 1992 in Yonkers, New York m: 1923 in
> Brooklyn, New York
> ... 2 Rufus Joseph CREEN, Jr. b: December 15, 1908 in New York d:
> January 1985 in Riverhead, New York
> ....... +Eleanor A. m: October 2, 1910
>
> Descendants of Frederick Kerner
>
> 1 Frederick KERNER b: 1822 in Germany
> .. +SOPHIE b: 1823 in Germany
> ... 2 Johan KERNER b: 1854
> ... 2 Friedrick KERNER b: 1856
> ... 2 Paul KERNER b: 1858
> ... 2 Emilie KERNER b: 1860
> ... 2 Philipp KERNER b: June 15, 1861 in Germany d: in New York
> ....... +Jennie JAMES b: November 8, 1861 in Glascow, Scotland d: Aft.
> 1940 in New York m: 1880 in Frankfurt, Germany or NY
> ......... 3 May KERNER
> ......... 3 Jessica May KERNER
> ............. +John J. ROLSTON
> ......... 3 Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER b: November 27, 1886 in Brooklyn,
> New York d: March 13, 1959 in New York
> ............. +Rufus Joseph CREEN b: Abt. 1880 in New York City, New
> York (no proof of this- some think he was born in Ireland) d: Abt. 1940 in
> New York m: October 26, 1904 in New York
> ......... *2nd Husband of Charlotte "Lottie" Kerner:
> ............. +James J. O'DONNELL b: July 17, 1880 in President Street,
> New York City, New York d: December 8, 1931 in Brooklyn, New York m: 1923
> in New York
> ... 2 Alois KERNER b: 1866
> ... 2 Barbara KERNER b: 1871
> ... 2 Anna KERNER b: 1874
>
> I know the Kerners owned a bakery and a pub. Not sure where though. A
> distant cousin said he recalls a picture of the pub.
>
> Thank you for your help. Kathleen Grone
>
>
>
>
> For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast
> love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be
> removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10
>
>
>
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