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From: "bullydog" <>
Subject: Fw: [NYC] 1912 arrest NYC
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:39:42 -0500


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Subject: Re: [NYC] 1912 arrest NYC


> On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:52:08 -0500
> "bullydog" <> wrote:
>
> > bullydog" < wrote:
> >
> > If a relative was arrested in 1912 in NYC (I am not sure exactly what
> > borough. It just says NYC), is there a way to track down more
information.
> > I do not have the month, but know the person lived and worked in
Brooklyn.
> > I am not sure if this happened in Manhattan or Brooklyn.
> >
> > This is one area of family history that is completely new to me and I
have
> > no clue if any records would still be available or how I might find
them.
> >
> > Any advice would be appreciated. - Mary
> >
> > Charles Sullivan wrote
> >
> > If there was actually a trial, the transcript might still be kept at the
> > courthouse archives. A researcher got a copy for me of the transcript
for a
> > 1934 felony trial at NY County Court of General Sessions 2 or 3 years
ago.
> > I don't remember the details of where it was located. I assume there
is an
> > index to such cases.
> >
> > If the individual merely appeared before a JP and got a fine or a few
days
> > in jail, there might not be anything which survives.
> >
> > bullydog wrote:
> >
> > Charles, do you know if it was customary to put anything in the
newspaper
> > like they do today? I believe he was put on probation for six
months. -Mary
> >
> > Charles Sullivan wrote
> >
> > I can't say - it depends on the newspaper and how newsworthy the
> > arrest/trial was. Much earlier, an arrest for drunken-disorderly would
hit
> > the papers but by 1912, who knows. Brooklyn papers would be more
likely to
> > carry local news like this than say the NY Times. What was the person's
> > name?
> >
> > bullydog wrote:
> >
> > Hi Charles. His name is Joseph Coughlin. In 1912, he is either working
in
> > the engine rooms shoveling coal on one of White Star Line Ships or he
is at
> > Robins Dry Dock in Brooklyn. I am not exactly sure when he changed jobs.
> >
> > My "guess" is he was arrested for drunken-disorderly, just like you
> > mentioned, or it's Union related. From what I have heard, he wasn't a
> > drinker or smoker though.
> >
> > I know from the only family photo that I have of him that he was cut
above
> > and below his eye. It left a bad scar. It looks like he was probably
lucky
> > to have kept the eye at all. A family member, who has now passed, said
it
> > was from a "brawl", but didn't have any other info.
> >
> > I am just curious now to try and discover what this arrest was about. In
> > 1912, he wouldn't have been that young of a man. He would be somewhere
near
> > 37 years old. He was married and had 4 children.
> >
> > I am really wondering why my great-grandpa was out brawling - Mary

From: "Charles Sullivan" <>

Mary,
> I checked the online NY Times at the members area of the NY G&B Soc
website
> between 1 Jan and 31 Dec 1912. Nothing obvious for COUGHLIN, however the
index
> was created with OCR (Optical Character Recognition) and fuzzy printing
often
> causes words to be missed.
>
> Of interest perhaps is that there was a ship strike involving firemen,
> "coal passers", and others. It began about 30 Jun 1912 and ran
> for about 2 weeks. It got violent and some arrests were made.
>
> I notice there were published Court Calendars which listed the names
> of the parties (in small print - likely to be missed.)
>
> Regards,
> Charles

writes

Charles, I have a feeling this might be it. He was a fireman (shoveled coal
in the engine rooms) for the White Star Line. Family history is so
exciting. Now I am in a Union fight back in 1912. lol

Thank you so much for your help - Mary


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