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From: "Suzanne Wade" <>
Subject: RE: [NYDUTCHE] Cutler-Traver/s lines
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 14:33:21 -0700
In-Reply-To: <20040425.151109.-723599.0.mr.del7@juno.com>


Phil,
Have sort of played around the edges with Quaker research, but felt like I
needed to have a more definitive answer as to Elizabeth
Travis/Traves/Traver/Travers last name --Her brother signed on Nathan's
pension as Isaac TravIs, (I have my own copy which I made from microfilm in
DC, after having one which had graciously been sent to me but was even more
difficult to read!)which is what I have always thought was probably
correct(unless he changed later ???), several other documents have other
variations...so not my favorite line to track down at this point!! It seem
that the Cutlers were not the Quakers, but that Elizabeth's were
likely...but then, based on the little bit of "documentation" that I have,
anything is possible! Really appreciate your comments! I have put these
folks "away" several times in the past couple years!! Of course my dream is
that one day I will see the line appear, fully documented by someone who has
stumbled on an old diary or ledger!! Ha. Thanks again.
Suzanne

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip D Delamarter [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 6:23 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Cutler-Traver/s lines


Suzanne,

Just a thought, but have you pusued Quaker Archieves, if one exists?
I have found a wealth of information from Methodist Archives on several
of my ancestors.

Phil

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:52:17 -0700 "Suzanne Wade" <>
writes:
> Jennifer,
> I don't know--this is part of my problem! I know VERY LITTLE--a
> couple
> sentences from a book on the Cutler lines. Basically, Nathan Cutler
> mar a
> Betsey Traver/s, a near relative of the Vail/Vieles, and who had
> also a
> close relative Jacob Allen living in Cherry Valley(this would be
> late
> 1700's, early 1800's). Allens(and maybe others of this group) were
> apparently Quakers, which would lead me to suspect them not to be
> the German
> variety. I watch both the German and English ...have read a couple
> of the
> English Traver/s books, and cannot definitely identify the Isaac
> Traver who
> I know was a brother. Very frustrating!! Part of these families
> went to
> Canada during/shortly after the Revolution and mostly returned to
> NY...but
> this hasn't helped much yet either!. Any thoughts much
> appreciated. Happy
> to share whatever I have...which, unfortunately is very little.
> Suzanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jennifer Inskeep [mailto:]
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 4:58 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Delamater Carriage Company
>
>
> Suzanne, is Betsey an english Traver or a german Palatine Treber?
> Jenny
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Suzanne Wade" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: [NYDUTCHE] Delamater Carriage Company
>
>
> > Thank you, Phil, for the helpful info. Will see where this leads
> me! Have
> a
> > wonderful weekend. You must be the resident Delamater/Delamarter
> expert!
> I
> > suspect you already know this, but her grandmother's name was
> Betsey
> > Traver/s. She is actually the one I am after! All I know at this
> point(from
> > Nathan's Rev. pension, is that her brother's name was Isaac
> Traver/s--very
> > hard to tell if an "s" exists after his name as is listed both
> ways. And,
> > like your Delamater/Delamarter, sometimes "americanized",
> sometimes not,
> > etc. etc. This all adds to our adventure, right?? I have them
> both (well,
> > she as female and right age) on Lodi, Seneca Co. 1830 NY census;
> but no
> one
> > seems to be able to locate their burial, and her dod. Guessing
> that she
> may
> > have outlived Nathan(d. 1838) and lived with kids elsewhere.
> > Suzanne in sunny CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Philip D Delamarter [mailto:]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:50 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Delamater Carriage Company
> >
> >
> > My records say she was the daughter of James Cutler and Polly
> Robbins.
> >
> > She is recorded in the New York 1850 census, page 252,
> #1611-1787,, roll
> > 197, Oct. 7, living in Coxsackie township, Greene County, age 34.
> She was
> > also known as Betsy Ann. Her grandfather, Nathan, fought in the
> > Revolutionary War.
> >
> > Married - February 02, 1839 - I am guessing that she was married
> in
> > Coxsackie, as that is where her first child was born.
> >
> > Isaac died May 29, 1848
> > Elizabeth died - June 01, 1886
> >
> > Her youngest son lived in Bayonne, NJ.
> >
> > Let me know what you find.
> >
> > Phil DeLamarter
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 06:50:20 -0700 "Suzanne Wade"
> <>
> > writes:
> > > Thanks, Phil, for your reply. I am mostly interested in
> Isaac's
> > > wife, Eliz.
> > > Cutler to follow her line. Do you happen to have location of
> > > Isaac/Eliz.
> > > marriage, place/date of death (for either/both)? Trying to
> place
> > > them in
> > > census, and locate obits, etc. Do you know if they were
> Quakers?
> > > My appreciation,
> > > Suzanne in CA
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Philip D Delamarter [mailto:]
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 6:20 AM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Delamater Carriage Company
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, Suzanne, I do have them in my file. How can I help you?
> > >
> > > Phil DeLamarter
> > > Connecting With Our Past
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:33:22 -0700 "Suzanne Wade"
> > > <>
> > > writes:
> > > > Phil or other Delamater researchers,
> > > > Do you have an Isaac B.S. Delamater(ca 1803 NY) in your
> files?
> > > He
> > > > married
> > > > an Elizabeth Ann Cutler. Believe they had two sons, James and
> > > Smith,
> > > > and
> > > > several daughters.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Suzanne in CA
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Philip D Delamarter [mailto:]
> > > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 7:08 AM
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] Delamater Carriage Company
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mary Anne,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you so very much for taking the time to look this up. I
> > > have
> > > > not
> > > > yet been able to identify who everyone is from the City
> > > directory.
> > > > However, it does seem clear that the Proprietor of the City
> > > > Repository
> > > > was John W. Delamater, son of Edward B. Delamater and Julia
> > > Myers.
> > > >
> > > > Edward B. was the manufacturer of the Delamater Carriage
> Company.
> > > > His
> > > > father, Radcliff, was a harness maker. The Delamater Carriage
> > > > Company,
> > > > located at 50 Market Street, had a catalogue made up of the
> > > various
> > > > styles and types of strictly high grade carriages that could
> be
> > > > hand-made
> > > > to order. The introduction to the catalogue says that they
> were
> > > not
> > > > competing with cheap of factory work, but aiming to build the
> > > best
> > > > wagons
> > > > on the market. "With our long experience, and using nothing
> but
> > > the
> > > > very
> > > > best and finest material, and employing only skilled workmen,
> we
> > > > know our
> > > > production can only be equaled by a few and excelled by none."
> I
> > > > recently
> > > > came across a string-tied copy of the catalogue, produced by
> Ware
> > > > Bros.
> > > > of Philadelphia, and purchased it on E-bay.
> > > >
> > > > The Fred(erick) R. mentioned below was the brother of John W.
> > > > Delamater
> > > > and son of Edward B. Now, if I can just figure out the rest
> of
> > > > these
> > > > individuals that you so kindly shared.
> > > >
> > > > God Bless and thank you once again,
> > > >
> > > > Phil DeLamarter
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:07:02 EDT writes:
> > > > > The following is from the 1924 Poughkeepsie City Directory:
> > > > >
> > > > > Delamater, Annie Widow of John h 34 Glenwood ave Arlington
> > > > > Clarence, sec h 2Randolph ave
> > > > > Edward R. asst mgr, h 21 North ave
> > > > >
> > > > > Delmater, Fred R.,garage, automobile & carriage repairing,
> body
> > > > > building,
> > > > > trimming & painting, storage, 121 - 123 Washington ST. tel
> > > 2137;
> > > > h
> > > > > 27 Marshall.
> > > > > tel 858-W
> > > > > Harold w. ins agt. 62 Market h Titusville rd
> > > > > Harry, custodian Clinton House h 549 Main
> > > > > Jane , nurse, h 123 Cannon
> > > > > Mary, widow of Peter, h 165 Cannon
> > > > > Octavia, stenographer, h 37 Marshall
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This is how it looks in the book. The bold print is how
> Fred
> > > > > Delamater is
> > > > > listed. Hope this helps some.
> > > > > Mary Anne
> > > > >
> > > > >
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