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From: Barbara de Mare <>
Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] HAWLEY Family - A Neglected Tomb - Salt Point- 1928
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 20:23:52 -0800 (PST)


I have certainly never heard of glass on a casket. Although no expert--in my family we don't even have wakes--I have bought plenty of caskets for familyless persons when appointed their guardian by the court, and never saw glass. That's what struck me as bizarre about this whole story when I read your first post.

Abandoned cemeteries in New York can't just be "sold" or whatever. The county or town has an obligation to maintain them. Additionally, the alleged site, between Salt Point and Hibernia, would I assume be on Hibernia road which is where my paternal grandparents lived. My maternal grandparents lived up on Allen Road. My maternal grandmother would certainly have known about such a thing and shown it to me, and I can't imagine I wouldn't have remembered.

All in all the story seems quite apochryphal.

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----- Original Message ----
From: cliff.hayes <>
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Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2006 10:47:05 PM
Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] HAWLEY Family - A Neglected Tomb - Salt Point- 1928

I do not know what photo you are looking at. I sent a later comic that
shows a man standing on a (labeled) soapbox in one of the scenes. That is
the way it was used. I saw some of them as I walked in London where I was
temporarily stationed in 1945.

Don't tell me you have never heard of a "guy getting on his soapbox", a
phrase used about a person who gets on a theme and goes on -- and on --- and
on!. It refers to someone who has a pet theme and drags the conversaton to
it repeatedly. It may be political, religious, or nearly anything else.

Cliff


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ginny" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NYDUTCHE] HAWLEY Family - A Neglected Tomb - Salt Point- 1928


> Thanks Cliff,
>
> I guess I am wondering how large those soap boxes were - large enough to
> bury a person in???
>
> "Two of the bodies lie in caskets. The bones of a third person lie in a
> soap box with a wire screen covering. The body of a man lies at the left
> of the entrance. The woman's body lies at the right. The soap box is in
> a corner. The glass in the casket of the man is broken. The tops of both
> caskets have been removed and put back in place by many who have visited
> the place."
>
> Oh Gosh this is getting Morbid? I guess I have alot to learn about caskets
> because I didn't know they had glass in them either - guess that is
> because I have never been in one<smile> Like when the lid was opened was
> there clear glass to look through at the body and that is what was broken
> by the tops being removed and put back often??? Anyone up on historical
> undertaking on this list<smile>!
>
> Ginny
>
> On 11/4/2006 9:30:12 PM, cliff.hayes () wrote:
>
> A soap box originated, I believe, in England long before microphones or
> telephones. Anyone who wanted to speak in public would take a box,
> usually
> a soap box seemed to be the right size, take it to the area where he
> decided
> to make his speech, set down his (soap) box, step up on it and start
> hawking
> for an audience; hence he got on his "soap box". I believe this was still
> in favor in WWII and well may be in vogue today.
>
> Cliff Hayes
>
>
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