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Subject: Re: Need Suggestions
Date: 6 Feb 2005 14:57:44 -0700


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You have a number of strategies. The youngest "Welfer" is Henry so the deaths of the parents occurred between his birth and 1910. If the parents both died in an accident, they both may have died on the same day... and you might find them on the NYC death index...although I tried through: http://www.stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath.html You might go through the New York papers and see if you can find mention of the accident.

The reason I think Mary is not a sister is.... you are dealing with a family of 7 children (excluding Mary) born from 1895 through 1904/5. If Mary was so much older.....I wonder about the fertility of the parents... having the "older" Mary, then no children for several years...and then 7 of them?

I would certainly pursue Mary and Henry Hines... who were married for 11 years as shown in 1910 on the Census...thus marriage about 1899 or so. I don't think Mary Hines is an older sister. If the enumerator did his/her job, Joseph's 1910 relationship to the head of family (Henry Hines) would show as b-i-l (brother in law) rather than Joseph's status as "nephew." What you don't know is if Mary Hines is a maternal or paternal Aunt... if paternal her maiden name would give a clue to the original Welfel family name.... if a paternal aunt (on the children's mother's side), then a clue as to their mother's line.

I think it probable that the Joseph in 1910 living with the Hines, the Joseph of 1920 in Bergen County, NJ, and the Joseph in the 1930 Census are the same person.

Perhaps someone on this board can find the "Welfels" (Helena, Joseph, James) in 1900 or Mary and Henry Hines in 1900.

Also, you should try to find out if the records of the orphanage still exist....and pursue that research avenue. If you do a Google search on the St Joseph Orphanage in Peekskill you will get a number of hits...but I think they vacated that Westchester site. The 1920 Census showed it was quite a big operation.

You have lots of areas to explore now, and sooner or later one will give you the name of the parents, and perhaps you can find them coming into New York.

Good luck,

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