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From: "Ronald Hagen" <>
Subject: Re: [NYSUFFOL] BARNES family and Mary Cooper
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 17:09:49 -0700


There is also more speculation on Mary Cooper on
http://home.att.net/~flba/cooper.htm#MCooper

Ron Hagen

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>From: Norris <>
>To:
>Subject: Re: [NYSUFFOL] BARNES family
>Date: Thu, Oct 5, 2000, 12:52 PM
>

> On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 16:11:13 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>Hello everyone...
>>
>>Do any of you know about the BARNES in Southampton?
>>I just learned that Joshua 1) BARNS was our 7th gr gf!
>>
>>Now I'm off on a new line.... the BARNES..
>
> Congratulations.. it's always fun exploring a new line. I have some
> comments, but possibly more questions that answers.. <g>
>
> Jacobus has one mistake in his presentation. The wife of Henry-1
> Pierson is unknown, NOT Mary Cooper. This was proven by Thomas Cooper
> III in a presentation in: TAG 64:193-202, 1989 - "The
> Cooper-Pierson-Griggs Connection", (The American Genealogist).
>
> Henry Pierson was called "my sonne" and a legacy was left to Henry
> Piersons children in John Cooper's will and this led researchers
> astray for over a century, as they assumed he meant by these
> references to mean Henry had married the one eligible daughter of John
> Cooper not otherwise accounted for: Mary (in passenger list) - which
> matched the known first name of Henry Pierson's wife.
>
>
> Henry-1 Pierson's baptism record was found in Olney, Buckingham,
> England, dated Dec 10, 1615, son of William and Wibroe (Griggs)
> Pierson, whose marriage record was found by Mr. Cooper in Olney,
> Buckingham, England on Jul 25, 1609.
>
> The "smoking gun" that this is the same man comes from a deed dated 12
> May, 1662 and signed by Henry Pierson and John Cooper, Jr. The deed
> was written at Southampton, Long Island, but is now at the
> Staffordshire County Record Office, Stafford, England - apparently
> because it involved English land. In this deed, Henry Pierson
> described himself as "formerly of Olney in the Countie of Buckingham
> in old England sonne of William Pierson late of the same town deceased
> and now of Southampton upon Long Iland in New England gent: An John
> Cooper of the same towne of Southampton upon Long Iland aforesaid
> Brother of the said Henry Pierson by the Mothers side gent."
>
> This, then, proves that Henry-1 Pierson was John-1 Cooper's step-son
> and not his son-in-law, as was supposed when Jacobus prepared his 1969
> article.
>
> John Cooper did have a daughter Mary, (in passenger list) who has no
> further record in Southampton, but Henry did not marry her. His wife
> is an unknown woman, who married, second, Seth Fletcher, on Jun 02,
> 1681.
>
> The marriage record of John Cooper and "wybrough Pearson" was found in
> the Bishop's transcripts for Olney, having taken place "xviijth of
> october 1618."
>
>
>
>
>>His children are listed.. as
>
> One question I have about the children of Joshua is: Where does the
> Sarah Barnes who married John Salmon Aug 23, 1683 (STR) fit into the
> Barnes picture? Her name, and marriage date come from: Lucy Dubois
> Ackerly, Southold Town Records - Libers D & E, Extracts w Commentary,
> (Long Island Source Records, pp 154-180, Hoff, GPC, 1987), 158,
> 08/23/1683. She could "barely" fit to be a granddaughter, but would
> more likely be a daughter, it would seem, to have married by 1683.
> Torrey gives her year of birth as 1655, ruling her out as a grandchild
> (born too early), but I don't know where that date of birth comes
> from. Is this Sarah perhaps from a Connecticut Barnes family??
>
>
>
>>1.William md 1698-1700 Hannah UNDERHILL d/o Humphrey any one
>>know who Humphrey's wife maiden name was, she is called Sarah
>>SMITH and called a widow.
>
> Perhaps Ned Smith can help with this one. Humphrey referred, in his
> 1722 will to: " I leave to my wife's son, Benjamin Smith, #3."
>
>
>
>>
>>4. Amy md Joseph PIERSON they said son of Henry and Mary COOPER..
>>but I found Henry's wife was Mary FULLER.
>
> See above.
>
>>I have figured this out..
>>
>> SOURCE: Torrey's NE M prior 1700 p325;
>>NEGHS Register vol 123 Apr 1969 pg 83;
>>
>>Amy 2), Joshua 1) BARNS
>> 6ga 7gf
>> md1)
>> unknown
>> md2)
>> Amy ....................
>> 7gm
>> md
>>Joseph 3), Henry 2), Guillmus -1) [William] PIERSON
>> 1c11r 10gu md
>> Wyborowe 1), John -1) GRIGGS
>> 11ga 12gf
>> md
>> Martha -1)WYBOROWE
>> 12gm
>> md2)
>> John 1) COOPER
>> 11gf
>> md
>> Mary FULLER [some say COOPER]
>
> I don't know if I understand the chart above. Thomas Cooper III, in
> his 1989 TAG article presented a workup on a Griggs family that
> accompanied the Coopers to England on the Hopewell, but could not
> identify the connection of John Cooper's wife, Wibrow Griggs, to that
> family. As far as I know, her parents are unknown. Her marriages
> above. There was no Guillmus. Henry-1, American immigrant, was son of
> William, first husband of Wibrow Griggs.
>
>
>
>> 5. Deborah md Edward GRIFFIN
>
> Jacobus says he could find no evidence she was his daughter.
>
>
>> 6. Mary this is our line.. md Isaac HALSEY
>
> You may want to peruse my web pages for more:
>
> http://ntgen.tripod.com/bw/index.html
>
> http://ntgen.tripod.com/bw/griggs_index.html
>
>
>
> Norris Taylor
>
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