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From: "riton" <>
Subject: RE: How long is your second toe?
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:36:30 -0800
In-Reply-To: <20021219.101429.-3610303.1.Lillylakewood@juno.com>


My second toe is also smaller than my big toe but my wife, who came from a
family of Sephardic Jews has a longer second toe. She was born in France
where they call the phenomenon "pied grec" - Greek foot. Given her family
was from Salonica that fits. My ancestors on my father's side were from
Ireland but on my mother's side they were Ukranian/German. The French call
my foot "pied egyptien" - Egyptian foot. There is also what the French call
a "pied carre" or square foot where all the toes are even. According to
studies the Greek foot occurs 20% of the time, the square 30% and Egyptian
50%.

Dick Conoboy

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From: Lilly Murphy [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 10:14 AM
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Subject: How long is your second toe?





My big toe is shorter than the next one. Most in my family have a big
toe that is either the same size or smaller than the toe next to it. I
always knew that it was a hereditary thing but didn't dream it had
anything to do with Celtic genes. What about yours and how can this help
in our search for our beginnings? I am forwarding this from another
mailing list I belong to.
Lilly

Excerpts from an article by Raymond E. Hunter,

In this article he discussed the fact that in Celtic people the big toe
is the same length as the next toe. He stated:other nationalities the big
toe was much longer than the nest toe.

They have used this to tract Celtic migration from the central Atlantic
down
through the Carolinas and into Georgia in the 1700. Seems that the Dutch
Boers have this gene from the Celtic Dutch from two thousand years ago.

Beginning in the 800s BC and lasting through the end of the millennium, a
remarkable people spread from the region of southeastern Germany, part
of Austria, and part of Hungary throughout most of central and Western
Europe.

Known simply as Celts when the expansion began, they differentiated into
sub-groups as they settled in present-day Spain, Portugal, France, the
British Isles, northern Italy, southern Germany, parts of Scandinavia,
and
even parts of western Russia.. The Celtic people were great warriors and
great artisans; most of the bronze found across the Mediterranean
countries
came from Celtic mines and smelters. They provided many of the fine
stonemasons who built impressive edifices in the Greek and Roman Empires.

The Celtic people who settled in today's France became known as Gauls.
When
the Romans invaded Gaul in the first century BC, there ensued a titanic
struggle, with the Gauls led by Vercingetorix. The fierce independence of
the Celtic people worked to the disadvantage of Vercingetorix, as he had
to
rely on voluntary support from the independent tribes within Gaul - who
were
as likely to fight each other as they were to fight the common enemy.

Many of the Gauls fled the region rather than submit to foreign rule;
they
traveled completely across Europe to settle in what is today central
Turkey.
The region became known as Galatia.

It was in the British Isles that the Celts left their biggest mark. The
first wave of Celts, in the period of about 600 - 400 BC, spread across
the
islands and became known as Gaels. In about 150 BC, a second wave, known
as
Brythons, spread across southern England. It is from the word "Brython"
that
we get the names "Briton," for the people in southern and central
England,
and "Breton," for those who fled the Romans and Anglo-Saxons and settled
in
northern France.

After nearly a hundred years, the Romans reached the neck of the island,
where Hadrian built the wall known by his name, across approximately the
boundary between present-day Scotland and England. That wall was built as
protection against the Scots (and/or Picts, as the eastern Scots were
sometimes known). But the Romans could not hold the country against the
Scots, the frequently rebellious Britons, and the Gaels in the western
regions, known as Welsh, especially with the new problems of Angles and
Saxons raiding the southeastern coastline. In 410 AD, the Romans left for
good, telling the Britons to "see to their own defenses."

In subsequent years, the increasing pressure of Anglo-Saxons invasions
from
regions of present-day Germany pushed the Britons into present-day Wales,
southern Scotland, and the Bretonic region of northern France.

One feature already mentioned that is strongly associated with Celtic
blood
lines is red hair; a great majority of people in the world who have red
hair
will be found to have a Celtic ancestor. But that feature is not uniquely
associated with the Celts, so the spread of Celtic people in such areas
as
present-day Germany and Scandinavia has not been accepted by all
authorities.

During World War II, a discovery was made that only recently has received
meticulous research. A couple of doctors in medical centers in England
noticed that
there was a feature of Scots and Welsh soldiers wounded in battle that
was
not present with English, Germans, and other nationalities. The former
frequently had a big toe (or great toe) that was the same length as the
next
toe; all others had great toes markedly longer.

They found that there were burial sites across Britain where the
skeletons
were completely of one ethnic group, such as Celtic burial sites on
islands
along the Scottish northwest coast, and pre-Celtic burial sites in
southern
England. Results from studies of those burial sites showed that to a 95
probability Celtic remains had a big toe the same length as, or shorter
than, the next toe.

The Celtic toe has been found in abundance in southern and central
Germany
and across western and central Scandinavia. It has been found in
present-day
descendants of the Dutch Boers who settled in South Africa over a hundred
years ago; the only source of that gene is from the Celtic Dutch of two
thousand years ago. It could be used to map the Scottish migration route
from the central Atlantic down through the Carolinas and into Georgia in
the
1700s.

None of which can detract from the growing appreciation of a people who
had
an enormous influence on European history, and whose traits of fierce
independence, unparalleled military prowess and courage, and love of
education, science, and the arts continue to wield a powerful influence
on
present-day world civilization.

Raymond Hunter

2739 Freeman Road

Royston, GA 30662



Oe to a toe:

If yo feets is all misshapen don't despair fo it can be taken

that youse from a different race even tho you can' t see it in yo face

Don't give yoself some extra welts

yo may be descended from those fightin Celts!!
_______________________________________________________

Diana Keener
Fort Worth, TX
Researching GASKO/WUNSCHEL

Diana and Ginger (canine in charge)

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