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From: lucille kelemen <>
Subject: Re: OHCUYAHO-D Digest V05 #243
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 03:57:32 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <200509160554.j8G5spJJ020450@lists5.rootsweb.com>


Hi! This my first try at you folks. I am trying to get information on the Johan Wunderle-Tressel family from East Cleveland and the Vincent Kelemen (Maybe Vinze) family from West Cleveland. I have a lot of info on the Wunderle"s prior to 1850 but nothing on the Kelemens. All I know is Vincent (Vinze) married Mary Schwartz who was born 8/8/1889

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OHCUYAHO-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 243

Today's Topics:
#1 Re: [OHCUYAHO] Marriage of Mike Sz ["Douglas Sarkozy" #2 Re: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup ["Douglas Sarkozy" #3 Re: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup ["Sandy Rozhon" #4 Re: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup ["Sandy Rozhon" #5 Re: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup [Holly Timm ]
#6 Re: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup ["Sandy Rozhon" #7 Re: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup [Holly Timm ]
#8 request for tombstone picture ["Deb Arnold" #9 RE: [OHCUYAHO] Knollwood Cemetery ["Shelley" ]
#10 Re: What is a "Cheat Sheet?" [Cynthia C Turk
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______________________________Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:41:35 -0400
From: "Douglas Sarkozy" <>
To:
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Marriage of Mike Szeplaky

Just another one of the many wonderful things I have learned from this website.

The census will also tell you (if the person is divorced), if they tell the enumerator they put a
numeral behind the M very helpful it is
Eliz

Thanks Eliz
Penny
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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Marriage of Mike Szeplaky


In a message dated 9/14/2005 8:31:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:
On ones a few years later (early 1900s) it asks if they have
been married before and states if they are deceased or divorce and names any
minor children.


The census will also tell you, if they tell the enumerator they put a
numeral behind the M very helpful it is
Eliz


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______________________________Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:36:34 -0400
From: "Douglas Sarkozy" <>
To:
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup request

Sandy, I couldn't find any Holmden families in the 1850 census except one living in Michigan with none of the names you mentioned. The following listing; however, holds some possibility.

1850 Tionesta, Venango, PA (all three are on the same page)

Thos. Homden age 32 Farmer b. England
Sarah " age 32 b. PA
Albridge ? " age 8
Lucy " age 6
Eliza " age 4
Henry C. " age 3

Walter Homden age 26 Farmer b. England
Philena " age 25 b. NY

John Hamden age 25 Farmer b. England
Betsy " age 19 b. NY
Sarah " age 62 b. England

Hope this helps,
Penny
----- Original Message -----
From: Sandy Rozhon
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:08 PM
Subject: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup request


Could someone with access to the 1850 census on ancestry.com please
look up the names Walter HOLMDEN, Thomas HOLMDEN, and possibly
Charles HOLMDEN. They were originally residents of Cornplanter,
Venango County, Pennsylvania before moving to Cleveland around 1865.

______________________________Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:41:57 -0400
From: "Sandy Rozhon" <>
To:
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup request

That's them! Thanks!!!!

Sandy

On 15 Sep 2005 at 16:36, Douglas Sarkozy wrote:

> Sandy, I couldn't find any Holmden families in the 1850 census except one living in Michigan with none of the names you mentioned. The following listing; however, holds >
> 1850 Tionesta, Venango, PA (all three are on the same page)
>
> Thos. Homden age 32 Farmer b. England
> Sarah " age 32 b. PA
> Albridge ? " age 8
> Lucy " age 6
> Eliza " age 4
> Henry C. " age 3
>
> Walter Homden age 26 Farmer b. England
> Philena " age 25 b. NY
>
> John Hamden age 25 Farmer b. England
> Betsy " age 19 b. NY
> Sarah " age 62 b. England
>
> Hope this helps,
> Penny
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sandy Rozhon
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:08 PM
> Subject: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup request
>
>
> Could someone with access to the 1850 census on ancestry.com please
> look up the names Walter HOLMDEN, Thomas HOLMDEN, and possibly
> Charles HOLMDEN. They were originally residents of Cornplanter,
> Venango County, Pennsylvania before moving to Cleveland around 1865.
>
>
>
>
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______________________________Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:43:50 -0400
From: "Sandy Rozhon" <>
To:
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup request

That's them! Thanks!!!!

Sandy

On 15 Sep 2005 at 16:36, Douglas Sarkozy wrote:

> Sandy, I couldn't find any Holmden families in the 1850 census except one living in Michigan with none of the names you mentioned. The following listing; however, holds >
> 1850 Tionesta, Venango, PA (all three are on the same page)
>
> Thos. Homden age 32 Farmer b. England
> Sarah " age 32 b. PA
> Albridge ? " age 8
> Lucy " age 6
> Eliza " age 4
> Henry C. " age 3
>
> Walter Homden age 26 Farmer b. England
> Philena " age 25 b. NY
>
> John Hamden age 25 Farmer b. England
> Betsy " age 19 b. NY
> Sarah " age 62 b. England
>
> Hope this helps,
> Penny
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sandy Rozhon
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 2:08 PM
> Subject: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup request
>
>
> Could someone with access to the 1850 census on ancestry.com please
> look up the names Walter HOLMDEN, Thomas HOLMDEN, and possibly
> Charles HOLMDEN. They were originally residents of Cornplanter,
> Venango County, Pennsylvania before moving to Cleveland around 1865.
>
>
>
>
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______________________________Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:53:43 -0400
From: Holly Timm <>
To:
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup request

The closest I could find are:

1850 - Tionesta Township of Venango County, Pennsylvania, page 222b, lines
15-20
hh of Thos & Sarah Holmden includes Lucy Jane age 6 on line 18 and Eliza
age 4 on line 19

1860 - Allegheny Township of Venango County, Pennsylvania, page 6, lines 33-40
hh of Thos & Sarah Holmden includes L J age 15 [female] on line 37 and
Eliza age 14 on line 38




At 02:08 PM 9/15/2005 -0400, Sandy Rozhon wrote:
>Could someone with access to the 1850 census on ancestry.com please
>look up the names Walter HOLMDEN, Thomas HOLMDEN, and possibly
>Charles HOLMDEN. They were originally residents of Cornplanter,
>Venango County, Pennsylvania before moving to Cleveland around 1865.
>
>Just as a side note, sometimes you discover the darndest things while
>researching names. Turns out that the HOLMDEN family owned a 400
>acre farm (Rev. Walter Holmden should be the father -- he died in
>1840) that was sold to an oil drilling speculator. They paid a good
>buck for the property and struck oil immediately. The area became a
>boomtown called "Pit Hole" (which is pretty thoroughly discussed all
>over the web), but when the oil find wasn't as large as initially
>thought, the town became a ghost town. By then, though, the Holmdens
>had moved on and settled in Cleveland, bought up property near
>Scranton and Clark and had a street named after them.
>
>I am trying to establish a familial link between Lyde Holmden (wife
>of Leonard Gurley Foster) and one of Walter Sr.'s sons. One of them
>had to be her father. She was born abt 1846, so should appear on
>the 1850 thru 1870 censuses under her maiden name. As I said
>earlier, the family moved here in about 1865. She married in 1872
>here in Cleveland. I'm just not having any luck finding her name
>anywhere. Lyde isn't exactly a common name.
>
>At the present time, I am only certain of one son's name, Thomas (b.
>abt 1810). I think his other children may be named Charles, Walter,
>possibly Lyde, and who knows how many others. I suspect the 1850
>census might hold some clues, but I can only browse that year's
>census and haven't yet turned up a single HOLMDEN in Pennsylvania.
>
>Help!
>
>Sandy
>
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______________________________Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:29:00 -0400
From: "Sandy Rozhon" <>
To:
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup request

On 15 Sep 2005 at 16:53, Holly Timm wrote:

>
> The closest I could find are:
>
> 1850 - Tionesta Township of Venango County, Pennsylvania, page 222b, lines
> 15-20
> hh of Thos & Sarah Holmden includes Lucy Jane age 6 on line 18 and Eliza
> age 4 on line 19
>
> 1860 - Allegheny Township of Venango County, Pennsylvania, page 6, lines 33-40
> hh of Thos & Sarah Holmden includes L J age 15 [female] on line 37 and
> Eliza age 14 on line 38

L J age 15 is the Lucy Jane of the 1850 census. She married Abraham
Prather. I don't have anything on Eliza other than an approximate
year of birth. Maybe Lyde was her middle name. Thomas was later to
be the guardian of his deceased brother's two children, Edwin and
Lydia. Lydia is also a candidate for the Lyde I'm looking for.

Thanks for finding those enteries for me.

Sandy

______________________________Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:18:57 -0400
From: Holly Timm <>
To:
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] 1850 census lookup request

My great grandmother Lida Deshler Willson Kellogg was listed as Eliza in
census records.

At 05:29 PM 9/15/2005 -0400, you wrote:

>L J age 15 is the Lucy Jane of the 1850 census. She married Abraham
>Prather. I don't have anything on Eliza other than an approximate
>year of birth. Maybe Lyde was her middle name. Thomas was later to
>be the guardian of his deceased brother's two children, Edwin and
>Lydia. Lydia is also a candidate for the Lyde I'm looking for.
>
>Thanks for finding those enteries for me.
>
>Sandy
>
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______________________________Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:21:19 -0400
From: "Deb Arnold" <>
To:
Subject: request for tombstone picture

Is there anyone that would be interested in taking a tombstone picture in Lake View Cemetery? I'm looking for the stone of Emma Gurney, died May 14, 1931. Her husband was Alvin Gurney. The Lake View office confirmed that they are buried there. I don't know the exact location. I will pay any costs incurred. Thank you, Debbie

______________________________Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:35:02 -0400
From: "Shelley" <>
To:
Subject: RE: [OHCUYAHO] Knollwood Cemetery Tombstone Picture Needed

Did you ever get a response to your request? My in-laws live right around
the corner from the cemetery, I'm sure I could swing in for you. Let me
know. Shelley

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert C. Johnston, Jr. [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 1:54 PM
To:
Subject: [OHCUYAHO] Knollwood Cemetery Tombstone Picture Needed


Dear List Members,

I need some help obtaining a picture of a tombstone of my
great-grandmother buried in Knollwood Cemetery, Mayfield Heights, Ohio
(Cleveland). I have the Section, Lot, and grave number, but living in
Alabama I can't get up there to see if a tombstone is on her grave or
not. If so, I'd love to have a picture of it for my records. If not, I'd
love to have it marked with the help of her descendants. If anyone lives
in the area and is familiar with Knollwood, it would mean so much to me
if I could get a digital image of the gravesite e-mailed to see if a
marker is there. None of my family here in Alabama knows anything about
her grave. She is Harriett Martha "Hattie" Johnston (nee Wilson). She is
buried on the East side of Section 21, grave number 218 in Knollwood
Cemetery. She was born on August 19, 1871 and died July 24, 1947.

Thank you so much for any assistance offered.

God Speed!

Robert Johnston
Wetumpka, Alabama


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______________________________Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:26:39 -0400
From: Cynthia C Turk <>
To:
Subject: Re: What is a "Cheat Sheet?"

A cheat sheet is a listing of the information that you think might be on
a test in school. You sneak it in and cheat on the test. Not a good
thing to do. The idea is that you don't have to memorize this list of
information to accomplish the goal. We often prepare items to post for
ourselves near our computer so we don't have to memorize the information,
but have it handy. I have sticky notes with the dates of the censuses,
my library card numbers, and the codes for diacritical marks, for
instance. The list of marriage volumes is a sort of cheat sheet if you
print it out to have handy when you are working with the marriage index.
It is not technically cheating, but you get the idea.
Cynthia in Lake County



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