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From: lucille kelemen <>
Subject: Re: OHCUYAHO-D Digest V05 #245
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 05:51:14 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <200509170300.j8H30G8p031475@lists5.rootsweb.com>


Etwistedsister, WOW!! I have been unable to get info on the Kelemen Family. Thank you so much. Give me a hint How do I get the 1920 census. Grandma always insisted that she was German but I detected a heavy eastern Europian accent. She lived to the age of 97. Unfortunately, I was not into this until fifty years later. Your info gives my kids a base. Thank you, thank you.

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OHCUYAHO-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 245

Today's Topics:
#1 Re: [OHCUYAHO] Re: OHCUYAHO-D Dige []
#2 Transcripts and other records from [Anna Nagy #3 Occupation: Puddler ["Sandy Rozhon" #4 Re: [OHCUYAHO] Occupation: Puddler [Holly Timm ]
#5 Re: [OHCUYAHO] Occupation: Puddler ["Sandy Rozhon" #6 Re: [OHCUYAHO] Occupation: Puddler []
#7 Re: [OHCUYAHO] Occupation: Puddler []
#8 New lister ["Helen" ]
#9 Morrison, Martin & Anna O'Brien, O []
#10 Re: [OHCUYAHO] New lister []
#11 Old Marriage Records [Jamie Danker ]
#12 Wright []

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______________________________Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:43:55 EDT
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Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Re: OHCUYAHO-D Digest V05 #243

In a message dated 9/16/2005 7:04:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:
information on the Johan Wunderle-Tressel family from East Cleveland and the
Vincent Kelemen (Maybe Vinze) family from West Cleveland. I have a lot of
info on the Wunderle"s prior to 1850 but nothing on the Kelemens. All I know is
Vincent (Vinze) married Mary Schwartz who was born 8/8/1889
Wunderle is that a Wunderle married a Tressel? do you have a date or two?
Eliz

The only Kelemen in 1930 and I don't know the name well enough to play with
it
Frank Kelemen Julia Kelemen Cleveland, Cuyahoga, OH abt 1898 Hungary Head

Julia Kelemen Frank Kelemen Cleveland, Cuyahoga, OH abt 1902 Wife
Margaret Kelemen Frank Kelemen,
Julia Kelemen Cleveland, Cuyahoga, OH abt 1920 Daughter
James Kelemen Frank Kelemen,
Julia Kelemen Cleveland, Cuyahoga, OH abt 1921 Son


Here is the only Vincent I have found and I can't find him in 1910 or them
any of them, in 1930. But he didn't die until the girls were married so he
should be here

Vincent Kelemen m. Mary a 30 emigrated 1904, Louise 7, Theresa 12, Fred 9.
He is a painter in the building trades.
Age: 48 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Birthplace: Slavonia
Race: White
Home in 1920: Cleveland Ward 5, Cuyahoga, Ohio
Home owned: Own
Sex: Male
Marital status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Year of immigration: 1903
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Mother's Birth Place: Slavonia
Father's Birth Place: Slavonia
Image: 851
Image Source: Year: 1920; Census Place: Cleveland Ward 5, Cuyahoga, Ohio;
Roll: T625_1361; Page: 8A; Enumeration District: 77; Image: 851.


Okay I wasn't sure he existed but first up in the Necrology there he was
Id#: 0571664
Name: Kelemen, Vincent
Date: Jan ?
Source: Cleveland Press; Cleveland Necrology File, Reel #123.
Notes: Kelemen, Vincent, of 3506 W. 128th St. beloved husband of Mary (nee
Schwartz), father of Frederick and Robert Kelemen, Mrs. Theresa Katt, Mrs. Chan
Drake and Mrs. Harry Shaw, and grandfather. Tuesday morning. Friends may call
at the George C. Lang Co. Funeral Home, W. 95th at Lorain Ave., where services
will be held Friday, Jan. 5, at 1 p. m.

______________________________Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Anna Nagy <>
To:
Subject: Transcripts and other records from Case

Has anyone had any experience with obtaining records from Case University? My father attended in the early 1930s and I would be interested in obtaining any information they might have on his school days.

anna


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______________________________Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:50:10 -0400
From: "Sandy Rozhon" <>
To:
Subject: Occupation: Puddler

Does anyone have any idea what a "Puddler" did for a living? I was
just looking at the 1870 census for the 13th ward and many men listed
that as their occupation.

Sandy

______________________________Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:55:26 -0400
From: Holly Timm <>
To:
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Occupation: Puddler

Definition of puddler - WordReference.com Dictionary
puddler Definition from dictionary. ... 1, puddler. a worker who turns pig iron
into wrought iron by puddling.

http://www.topforge.co.uk/Magazines/Explaining.htm
explains the process and mentions puddlers several times
and more information here:
http://www.geocities.com/jenks436/puddler.html


At 04:50 PM 9/16/2005 -0400, Sandy Rozhon wrote:
>Does anyone have any idea what a "Puddler" did for a living? I was
>just looking at the 1870 census for the 13th ward and many men listed
>that as their occupation.
>
>Sandy
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______________________________Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:02:56 -0400
From: "Sandy Rozhon" <>
To:
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Occupation: Puddler

On 16 Sep 2005 at 16:55, Holly Timm wrote:

>
> Definition of puddler - WordReference.com Dictionary
> puddler Definition from dictionary. ... 1, puddler. a worker who turns pig iron
> into wrought iron by puddling.

Thanks Holly! I had an inkling that that might be what they were
doing but as some of the names on the census pages were of very
wealthy industrialists (Lamson and Sessions), I wasn't sure why
working class folks would be living so close to them. Must have been
off some side street or something. Too bad in 1870 they didn't list
addresses.

Sandy

______________________________Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:08:00 EDT
From:
To:
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Occupation: Puddler

In a message dated 9/16/2005 4:56:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:
Definition of puddler - WordReference.com Dictionary
puddler Definition from dictionary. ... 1, puddler. a worker who turns pig
iron
into wrought iron by puddling.

And in those years, puddling was a hugely skilled job, not easy to get, you
probably inherited it. Shortly after this an automated sort of puddling was
invented and those puddlers who hadn't seen it coming were sunk. My family became
store keepers in anticipation
Eliz

______________________________Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:13:06 EDT
From:
To:
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] Occupation: Puddler

In a message dated 9/16/2005 4:56:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes:
http://www.geocities.com/jenks436/puddler.html
What a great site I had been told it required strength etc but I gather
that there is also long periods of waiting, in my family it was told of playing
music during the waits.
Eliz

______________________________Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:03:30 -0400
From: "Helen" <>
To:
Subject: New lister

Hi all,
My name is Helen, I live in Montreal and this is my first posting to this
list. I have been looking for a very long time for any appearance of the
name McGINTNY (McGinty with an extra "n") and was recently sent the
following from the County archives in Cleveland:

Owen McGintny age 8 mos 14 days died of measles in the 23rd Ward, Cleveland
on March 22, 1885, which would make his birth about July 8th 1884. His place
of birth is shown as Cleveland and his parents were Bridget and Mick (I
think) McGintny. I have looked through the Genweb transcriptions for the
1900 Census and can find no mention of the name. Is anyone able to tell me a
likely cemetery for a person who died in the 23rd ward or of any other way
to continue searching for this family?

Since almost all of my research over the past 10 years has been in the UK I
am not familiar with records availability in the US.

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Helen

______________________________Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:06:08 EDT
From:
To:
Subject: Morrison, Martin & Anna O'Brien, OH>MO>OH

I am looking for my Martin MORRISON for whom I have very little information.

Different documents, ( a copy from the Record of Deaths, KC, MO, & his son's
death cert.) state that Martin was born in Ireland. He was born circa
1838/1839 and arrived in the USA 1868 (not proven). He was supposed to have
made a Declaration but was never Naturalized, (that I can find.)

He married Anna/Annie O'BRIEN on 26 Oct., 1875 according to the copy of the
Probate Court of Cuyahoga County, Cleveland, Ohio. She was the daughter of
Anthony O'BRIEN born Ireland and Mary MYLETT/MYLOTT also born in Ireland.
Annie
was born in Cleveland, Ohio according to the copy of her death cert. Her
death cert. states she ws born June 18, 1860 but the 1880 US Census for KC,
MO
states she was born in 1852.

According to Anna's Obit she had a brother John O'BRIEN and a sister
Catherine, known as Kate, who married James C. McGRATH. Catherine died March, 1937.
The MORRISON & LOAN families use/used the McGorray Bros. Lakewood Home for
funeral arrangements.

Martin died the 26th of March, 1890 in Kansas City, MO from an accidental
fall out of a second story window, damaging his skull which resulted in
death.
He was 51 years old.

He lived at 1209/1211/1215 Independence Avenue. The 1880 US Census for KC,
Jackson Co., Missouri shows approx. 65 other people listed at the same
address
so I am assuming there was a boarding house that he owned.

He was a grocer at the time of his death and my father recalls a picture of
the family in front of the store with the name "Morrison." Newspaper reports

say that he had "lived in KC for 10 years" and "was interred in Mount St.
Mary's cemetery. The funeral services were conducted by Father Lillis, in
St.
Patrick's Church, corner of Eight and Cherry Streets, ..."

After Martin's death Annie moved with her children back to the Cleveland,
Ohio area to be near her family.

1..Martin and Annie had the following children:
....2..George m. Minnie DUNS or DUNN
........3.. Alfred
........3..James
........3..George
....2.. James never married, worked in Vaudville and managed Blackstone the
Magician
....2..Martin J. b 10-24-1877 and suffered a brain injury at birth, never
married
....2..Mary Jane b. c. 1879 d. 1966 m. William Henry GAVIN 1859-1940
........3..Sister M. Ruth, Ursuline Order d. 1973
........3..Mary T. 1915-1993 was a teacher and Principal in Cleveland area,
never married
........3..Anne 9 Sept. 1916-2000 m. (1)William HALLAUER, Sr m. (2) John
MANCHEK
............4..William HALLAUER, Jr
....2..Rose Anna 1883-1955 m. William Embury MILLS (my great grandparents)
........3.. Mary Eleanor 1903-1984 (my grandmother) m. Charles Joseph LOAN
1900-1975
........3..William F. MILLS 1905-1965

I would greatly appreciate any help in finding information on Martin MORRISON

and Anna/Annie O'BRIEN.

Thank you in advance,
Denise S
New Jersey, USA

______________________________Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:48:11 EDT
From:
To:
Subject: Re: [OHCUYAHO] New lister

Try St. John's Cemetery on Woodland Avenue in Cleveland.

______________________________Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:55:35 -0400
From: Jamie Danker <>
To:
Subject: Old Marriage Records

I have copies of the following marriage records:

Year GROOM BRIDE
1920 John Medhard YUSEK Mary KULIZACKIUTE (part cut off)
1920 Henry M GREEN Ruth M SMITH 1920 (part cut off)
1921 John SEMSEK Etel ANVAY (correct name Ethel Arvai)
1923 Chester A LEACH Elizabeth A FINAU
1923 George W DANKER Grace M ERMLICH
1933 Steve ARVAI Julia LEVAY
1933 Jack BERAN Ruth NAIMARK
1937 Anthony ZAMAN Florence ANZICK (part cut off)
1937 Steve STELMAK Mary HELEBRANTH (part cut off)
1937 John SEMSAK Irene ELIAS
1941 Joseph ROWE Helen SEMSAK
1941 Joseph Robert REIS Evelyn Louise DRABIK

Some of the records simply were on the same page as ones I ordered and have
information cut off, but in general have the bride and groom, their ages
and addresses, parents names, license #, marriage date and who performed
the ceremony. If interested in the information, please contact me off-list
and I will transcribe the information.

Jamie Danker

______________________________Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:58:46 EDT
From:
To:
Subject: Wright

I am posting this for another lister who sent it to me directly and is having
difficulty posting it to the list. Please respond to the list so she will
see it.
~~~~~~
The Cleveland Public Library online Necrology listed no one by the name of
Abraham Wright. Rufus is on there, Lucy Wood Wright, Frederick,etc.
I could not find a will. Couldn't find marriage for Abraham - hopefully
mother of Thomas Wright. Found Abraham was not the Abraham Wright War of 1812, Prv.
un Capt. Samuel Dunnavan's Co - that Abraham was a pioneer 1802 of Newark and
then McKean, Licking County, Ohio who came w/wife and 4 children Only thing I
could find was 1829/31 Abraham Wright sells on easy terms a vessel "Grampus"
to John Malvin, a slave who gained his freedom by the death of his owner and
besides being an engine expert on the JHHudson's steam Mill, he needed extra
income to purhase his father-in-law's freedom. -from Ehle, Jay C. "Cleveland's
Harbor" (The Kent State Uni. Press, Kent, Ohio, London, England)9,10. and On 16
April 1836 Tavern Stand offered for sale. Applications were referred to A.
Wright, Rockport. ("Herald" April 16, 1836 Newspaper Annals, XIX,180 in
"Historic Sites of Cleveland: Hotels and Taverns V. 2 (Ohio Historical Records Survey
Project WPA, Columbus, Ohio, 1942)705. Thomas I'm quite certain died in NE but
no death certificate either state/county so can't find mother listed - He
lived with daughter and son-in-law, Theda Wright Hurd and Nelson Hurd. during
last years -1900 Pleasant Hill Twp. Webster County, NE census . I have Abraham
figured would be 1820 in Rufus home, married 1821/1822, had Thomas
1823,Abraham's wife would have passed away between 1823 and 1830 - Abraham & Thomas would
have been on 1830 and 1840 census. and beofre 1850 something would have
happened to Abraham..
Rufus other children:Laura - b. 1809 NY (Lame, never m)
Hester b 1810-1815 NY (Mrs. Hall) Home in Indiana m. 3 Feb. 1836 Horace Hall
Maria b. Dec. 1811, NY m. Chauncey Deming 3 Feb. 1836 - Chauncey b. 30 June
1805 Salisbury, Ct. d. 8 Feb. 1863 - Maria d. Rockport 24 Oct. ;1881 at 70
yrs. (Maybe Hester & Marie had double wedding.
Thanks
Helen



Lucy


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