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From: "Liese Uptegrove" <>
Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Language on Tombstones
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:38:52 -0500
References: <002601c0751c$8ce31400$d626fea9@0015905051> <000e01c07520$065968e0$0500a8c0@gene>


Hi Gene,

You need to scroll further down the message to see which cemetery and where.
It seems as though the grave stone was in all German, and then translated.
The "MF" stands for a LDS Microfilm cross-reference. Good question though,
I should contact the writer and see if he has a photo of that particular one
(he mentions on the page that there are some for certain ones).

I can see that the link I included to that web page was cut-off by a
character limitation, but you could copy the link (shortcut), to the address
field in your browser, and then add the +F to the end of it to get to the
actual page where I viewed this list, or type it in all by hand the hard way
<g>.

But assuming for the moment that it is as it appears to be, in all German...
what do you make of this?

Liese.

----- Original Message -----
From: GeneStackhouse <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ORIGINAL-13] Language on Tombstones


>
> What cemetery? Where?
>
> Was the whole gravestone written in German?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Liese Uptegrove" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 7:31 PM
> Subject: [ORIGINAL-13] Language on Tombstones
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I clicked on one of the links that Vince sent, and after snooping
around,
> I
> > did a search for UPDEGRAVE. I found something that caught my eye.
It's
> a
> > listing of a cemetery containing a fair share of the Updegrave surname,
> but
> > what I noticed was that in at least one of the entries (& others), the
> > language used by this particular branch was not English, as late as the
> year
> > 1863!
> >
> > I could only come up with a couple of lame quick explanations for this,
> one
> > being perhaps this branch was totally isolated from the rest who
> eventually
> > took English as their primary language; or, that they used the
> German/Dutch
> > language in their religion, and so may have felt it was more appropriate
> to
> > etch the stones in that language; or, that these people came over later
> than
> > the others and had not yet integrated socially?
> >
> > I would like to hear some input and opinion from anyone out there who
> might
> > have even the vaguest idea. Is there a logical reason why they would
have
> > German/Dutch language on a tombstone for an Op den Graeff ancestor, as
> late
> > as 1863?
> >
> > Also, does anyone recognize this particular Updegrave/Updegroff line?
> >
> > Please see below:
> > _________________
> >
> >
>
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/pa+index+5253114911147
> > +F
> >
> > St. Paul's Cemetery Records ("Artz Church") Hubley Township, Schuylkill
> Co.,
> > PA
> >
> > Contributed for use in USGenWeb by Bobbyetta Ganunis.
> >
> >
> > This cemetery is located in Sacramento, Hubley Township,
> > Schuylkill Co., PA. It is located along Rte 25, across
> > from St. Paul's Church. St. Paul's Church was originally
> > known as the "Artz" Church. The cemetery includes burials
> > of Reformed & Lutheran members of the congregation. A
> > section of the cemetery was the burial grounds for the
> > United Methodist Church, Sacramento, PA. . .
> >
> > Some
> > of the older stones are written in the Pennsylvania
> > Dutch/German language. "?" denotes questionable
> > information due to the condition of, or inability to
> > completely translate, the information on the tombstones. . .
> >
> >
> > UPDEGRAVE, Here rests Johannes s/o Henry & Catharine
> > Updegrave 1830-1863, age 33-6-19.
> > (MF: Hier Ruhet Johannes Updegroff sohn von Henry u. Catharine
> Updegroff
> > Geboren am 3ten February 1830 Ald gedrafter Soldat starb
> > er auf seinem Heimweg in Harrisburg am 22ten August 1863
> > Alter 33 Jahre 6 monat und 19 Tage.)
> > Here rests Johannes Updegroff s/o Henry and Catharine Updegroff born
> > 02/03/1830. He was a drafted soldier that died in Harrisburg on his
> way
> > home
> > on 08/22/1863 age 33-6-19.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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