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From: Elizabeth Cunningham <>
Subject: Re: [PA-QUAKERS] How to find Monthly Meeting records
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:27:19 -0400
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One small correction of fact and one extra explanation:

The Hicksite-Orthodox split was mended, in Philadelphia at least, in
1955. When other Yearly Meetings mended I have no idea.

It was pointed out to me some years ago that the divide between
Baltimore and Philadelphia Yearly Meetings was the Susquehanna River,
and that is the reason that the Eastern Shore of Maryland and Delaware
are part of Philadelphia Yearly Meeting. I do not know when the
decision was made, but I suspect that it was early. Harrisburg Meeting
is Philadelphia, York Meeting is Baltimore, for example.

I am glad to know where the Hinshaw material is. I may be able to find
ancestors in it.

Elizabeth C

James Stokes wrote:

>Hi Folks,
> I would expect them to have meeting records at Swarthmore, I think anything they have at Haverford would be duplicated at Swarthmore. Originally, Swarthmore was the Hicksite College while Haverford was the Orthodox College, which refers to a split in the Quaker movement in the 1820s but which has been resolved for over 100 years. Swarthmore also has the unpublished Hinshaw Collection, material that didn't make it into the Hinshaw books. I don't know if your meeting was included in the published material (Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy, I believe Vol. 2 is Philadelphia Yearly Meeting) but you can check.
> I expect the First Family publication got its information from the History of Chester County, by Fuethy and Cope, published in 1883. You might check the Chester Co. Genweb site to see if that information is on-line, I think parts of it are, at least.
> Delaware was part of the colony of Pa. prior to 1700, at that time William Penn allowed Delaware to set up its own legislature. Before that they were known as the three lower counties of Pa.
> If your guy was disowned it only means he was no longer a Quaker and no longer attended meeting. The most common reason for being disowned was because he married a non-Quaker and was married by an outside minister, sometimes referred to as a hireling priest. (Quakers didn't pay their ministers and their ministers didn't marry people. Quakers married using Common Law English custom, the couple would stand up in front of a bunch of people and declare themselves married. Then the clerk was write up a marriage certificate that was signed by those attending the event, which usually included the parents and brothers and sisters of the bride and groom.)
> When my ancestor was disowned it only meant he was no longer a Quaker, it didn't seem to impact his relationship with his father and mother. My ancestor was disowned in 1801 but in his diary of 1841 he still talked about first day, second day, rather than Sunday, Monday, etc, so some of those customs persisted. Good luck.
> Jim
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Bill Dalton <>
>To:
>Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 1:47:36 AM
>Subject: [PA-QUAKERS] How to find Monthly Meeting records
>
>
>Hi
>
>I have found this citation and am now wondering how to find the records
>for the Meeting Houses mentioned, Hockessin, and then the meeting houses
>that would involved Deer Creek, Maryland.
>
>FIRST FAMILIES OF CHESTER COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA V. 2 pg. 8
>CALEB BAILY, SR. of Londongrove Twp, formerly of East Marlborough Twp.
>son of Daniel (2) and Olive Baily, Sr. of East Marlborough, was b. 144th
>of 2nd mo. 1738. He m. 28th of 9th mo. 1763 at Hockessin Meeting House,
>Ann Dixon, dauy. of Joseph and Mary Dixon of Kennett. Family removed to
>Londongrove Twp in 1794.
>Caleb and Ann had children born in East Marlborough: JOSEPH, b. 10th d
>of 9th mo, 1764, Danile b. 4th of 10th mo 1766, Caleb, Jr. b. 19th of
>5th mo, 1769, removed to Deer Creek, MD, in 1785; Benajah b. 145h of
>11th mo, 1772, d. 16th of 7th mo, 1775; Stephen, b. 18th of 9th mo,
>1775, put to apprentice in New Garden in 1793; Mary b. 18th of 19th mo,
>1778; Elias b. 23rd of 9th mo, 1782, Asher b. 10th of 3rd. mo 1785,
>apprenticed in Wilmington; Olive b. 16th of 6th mo 1790
>
>Also, if the son, Joseph, married out of the community, what would
>happen to him? As far as I know, my ancestor (his son) Hamilton Bailey
>was not Quaker.
>
>If he did remain in the community, what would be the meeting house in
>Belmont County, Ohio, near Bellaire?
>
>Thanks
>Bill Dalton
>
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