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Subject: Re: [ALL] PAALLEGH Digest, Vol 2, Issue 248
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 15:16:38 -0400
References: <20070517183304.NRDQ8724.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>
In-Reply-To: <20070517183304.NRDQ8724.ibm61aec.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net>
Jim,
It might help if you furnished a religion for the fellows and where
they lived at the time of their death.... besides William.
Al
At 02:33 PM 5/17/2007, you wrote:
>Can someone familar with the burgh and its cemeteries give me some advice.
>My great grandfather and his wife; Josiah Campbell Kiser & Nannie
>Benney Littell are buried in the LItell/ Benney family plot in
>Allegheny Cemetery. I have been there and taken
>pictures. Relatives of brothers (David O and Charles) of Josiah are
>buried in Chartiers and Homewood cemeteries.
>Although several of their children died while residents of
>Pittsburgh, none are buried in the Alleghney Cemetery and I cannot
>find them in any others that are posted on the Allegheny Website.
>Can someone tell me where I might start to look and who can
>help? I'm looking for Dale Thompson Kiser who died after 1928 and
>before 1950; William Murdock Kiser who died in 1936 and James
>Russell Kiser who died sometime after 1938. William's obit does not
>mention the cemetey but he died in Ben Avon. If someone has access
>to any non-posted cemetery records, I'd really appreciate any dates
>on these men who are brothers. My Grandfather is Dale Thompson who
>apparently was whisked off the face of the planet by alien invaders
>sometime in 1928.
>Thanks
>Jim Kiser in So Louisiana, born in the Burgh 1939
> >
> > From:
> > Date: 2007/05/17 Thu AM 01:01:40 EDT
> > To:
> > Subject: PAALLEGH Digest, Vol 2, Issue 248
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> > (Karen Moon)
> > 2. Re: Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church (Maloy)
> > 3. Charles Schnupp ()
> > 4. Re: Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> > (DONNA BOOTH)
> > 5. Re: Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> > (Karen Moon)
> > 6. Re: Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church (Ellen)
> > 7. Re: port of entry (Lisa Lepore)
> > 8. 1820 Allegheny, East Ward (Barabara Schmitt)
> > 9. Re: Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> > ()
> > 10. Re: Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> > (LIBBY GRIMM)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:11:50 -0400
> > From: "Karen Moon" <>
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> > To: <>
> > Message-ID: <00b401c798cf$d3678ea0$>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > I received only the dates my ancestors received communion on one sheet of
> > paper and the outside sheet had a photo copy of this book front.
> > I thought maybe it contained other types of records.
> > I checked the Clarion County churches records but not the whole book.
> > Does it have any records? Michael Lucas --Sarah Jane Lucas....Peter Lucas
> > and Mary Lucas...any Ferringers ???
> >
> > Thank You
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 20:57:44 -0400
> > From: "Maloy" <>
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> > To: <>
> > Message-ID: <>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > Karen,
> > I saw your inquiry about the Lucas'. Are you related to Bernard Lucas, son
> > of Michael Lucas ?
> >
> > Donna in VA.
> >
> >
> >
> > Does it have any records? Michael Lucas --Sarah Jane Lucas....Peter Lucas
> > and Mary Lucas...any Ferringers ???
> >
> > Thank You
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:01:01 EDT
> > From:
> > Subject: [ALL] Charles Schnupp
> > To:
> > Message-ID: <>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > Seeking information on Charles Schnupp, born about 1880 in Pittsburgh, PA.
> > Son of Christian Schnupp and Clara Schmidt.
> >
> > Charles married Mary Bella Johnson (no marriage record in
> Allegheny County,
> > PA). Their children; John P. born abt 1905, Joseph Henry born
> 22 July 1908
> > in Pittsburgh, PA., Clara born on 18 Aug. 1911 in Brownsville, PA.
> >
> > Mary Bella married a second time to William E. Schnupp on 11 Aug. 1924 in
> > Allegheny Co., PA. The marriage application states that Charles
> Schnupp (her 1st
> > husband died in December 1914.
> >
> > Any information about Charles will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > Age
> > is a state of mind...
> >
> > Do not regret growing old
> >
> > its a privilege
> > denied many.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:33:19 -0400
> > From: "DONNA BOOTH" <>
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> > To: <>
> > Message-ID: <001b01c79823$5aeda6f0$>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > There are books done by Pastor Paul Ruff of many of the Lutheran
> Churches in
> > this area. They are available from the Baltzer Meyer Historical Society.
> >
> > Donna
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karen Moon" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> >
> >
> > >I received only the dates my ancestors received communion on one sheet of
> > > paper and the outside sheet had a photo copy of this book front.
> > > I thought maybe it contained other types of records.
> > > I checked the Clarion County churches records but not the whole book.
> > > Does it have any records? Michael Lucas --Sarah Jane
> Lucas....Peter Lucas
> > > and Mary Lucas...any Ferringers ???
> > >
> > > Thank You
> > > Karen
> > >
> > >
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/
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> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:43:19 -0400
> > From: "Karen Moon" <>
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> > To: <>
> > Message-ID: <00f301c798ed$eeeb0800$>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > I have a Bernard Lucas but his father was Harry Lucas. Harry Lucas had a
> > brother Addison Lucas who lived in Virginia/West Virginia.
> Michael Lucas was
> > father to these two.
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:15:21 -0400
> > From: "Ellen" <>
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> > To: <>
> > Message-ID: <01b701c79829$39d28ed0$>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Yes, and Della Reagan Fischer did loads before him & they are in the
> > Carnegie in Oakland, & the historical society, Greensburg Library &
> > Historical Society, a lot in the Norwin Public Library & McKeesport Library
> > & all in the Elizabeth Twp. Historical Society Etc. Etc.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [mailto:]
> > On Behalf Of DONNA BOOTH
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:33 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> >
> > There are books done by Pastor Paul Ruff of many of the Lutheran
> Churches in
> >
> > this area. They are available from the Baltzer Meyer Historical Society.
> >
> > Donna
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karen Moon" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> >
> >
> > >I received only the dates my ancestors received communion on one sheet of
> > > paper and the outside sheet had a photo copy of this book front.
> > > I thought maybe it contained other types of records.
> > > I checked the Clarion County churches records but not the whole book.
> > > Does it have any records? Michael Lucas --Sarah Jane
> Lucas....Peter Lucas
> > > and Mary Lucas...any Ferringers ???
> > >
> > > Thank You
> > > Karen
> > >
> > >
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/
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> > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> >
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:45:02 -0400
> > From: "Lisa Lepore" <>
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] port of entry
> > To: <>
> > Message-ID: <004601c7982d$5e5e7f30$>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > I figured that 1400's was a typo after I read that
> > Konscak was born in 1703. LOL
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Jerin" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] port of entry
> >
> >
> > And who said KONSCAK was with Columbus? Not me! and the date of 1400s is
> > obviously an error but the mapping of Baja California by Konscak it was
> > done in the 1700s... ten lashes with a wet noodle for me :)
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > Lisa Lepore <> wrote:
> > http://www.manresa-sj.org/stamps/1_Konscak.htm
> >
> > I don't know a thing about Columbus' crew, but
> > Father Konscak was not with him. He was born
> > in 1703.
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > To:
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] port of entry
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > I knew of the names Columbus used. What I didn't know is if all on
> > the expedition were Spaniards. I just assumed so since it was the
> > crown that was financing his travels. I wish I could get some
> > royalty to do that for me.
> >
> > I still have a tough time accepting that Father Konscak or anyone
> > else mapped California in the 1400s unless he cross the Bering
> > Strait. I don't know when the first non-Indian appeared on the
> > West Coast but anything pre-1500 would be a stretch. My first
> > thought was that you had a typo in your message.
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> > At 06:35 PM 5/15/2007, you wrote:
> > >Hi Al,
> > >
> > > Here is a link to Californian Adam Eterovich, perhaps the first
> > > Croatian genealogist. He discusses the Croatian Dalmatians who
> > > came along with Columbus. The people of the Mediterain ports (this
> > > would include the Adriatic) had more exposure to other ethnic
> > > groups and had the opportunity to travel more than those
> > > inland. As is shown by the well known explorer Marco Polo.... de
> > > Polo still exists on the Croatian Island of Korcula where Polo was
> > > born. With access to the Mediteranian why would Columbus have only
> > > Spaniards... after all Columbus himself was not a Spaniard...he was
> > > born in Genoa Italy as Cristoforo Colombo and in Spain he was known
> > > as Crist??bal Col??n however as with Columbus his crew had Spanish
> > > names... but one may suppose that not all were ethnic Spaniards....
> > > as Eterovich does at the link below
> > >
> > > http://www.croatians.com/columbus_and_croatians_by_adam_s.htm
> > >
> > > Also the Republic of Ragusa (Durbrovnik Croatia) had ships in the
> > > Spanish Armada and many Ragusan sailors sailed on many expiditions.
> > >
> > > In regards to Father Ferdinand KONSCAK, he was the son of a
> > > military man born at Varazdin Croatia. He became a missionary in
> > > California in the 1400s and mapped Baja California, where he
> > > baptized Indians and explored the area. Here is a link to his map
> > >
> > > http://www.croatianhistory.net/gif/konscak.jpg
> > >
> > > There is a collection of rocky islets on the north of the
> > > Californian bay named in his honour as the Consag Rocks (Consag
> > > Rocas, or Roca de Consag, near San Felipe).
> > >
> > > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6101167
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > >I never knew that Columbus had anything but Spaniards in his crew and
> > >I definitely never heard of Father Konscak. What year did he map
> > >California and is there a extant copy of his map
> > >anywhere? Preferably on-line. It's a bit cheaper than travelling.
> > >
> > >Al
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 07:44 AM 5/15/2007, you wrote:
> > > >And of course you are only speaking mostly about Western Europe
> > > >or "first families" if you will:) Not the mass of our immigrant
> > > >ancestors who came from Central, Eastern and Southern Europe of our
> > > >ancestors who came at the peak of immigration fromt approximately
> > > >1870s through 1913. Immigration near the start of the last century
> > > >was running at nearly 1,000,000 a year... when WW I broke out there
> > > >was a huge drop in that immigration. The discriminatory immigration
> > > >laws passed near the end of WW I caused the number of immigrants to
> > > >drop to around 100,000+ per year. As with immigration now that turn
> > > >of the century immigration was to supply the industrialists with
> > > >cheap labor, after all just look at a ship manifest which states it
> > > >is a form of "The Department of Commerce and Labor"... today we just
> > > >don't admit why we see so many immigrants coming to the US many of
> > > >whom arrive "illegally". Of course inland travel would not have
> > > >been as restrictive as during the period from
> > > > the 1700s to the 1800s. But then there were Croatians who arrived
> > > > with Christopher Columbus....or the Croatian priest Father Konscak
> > > > who was perhaps the first to map California
> > > >
> > > > Robert Jerin
> > > > Croatian Heritage Museum
> > > > Cleveland Ohio
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:49:50 -0400
> > From: "Barabara Schmitt" <>
> > Subject: [ALL] 1820 Allegheny, East Ward
> > To: <>
> > Message-ID: <001001c7982e$0cfcf350$>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > What section of Allegheny was the East Ward in 1820?
> >
> >
> >
> > Barb
> >
> >
> >
> > Barbara (Higbee) Schmitt
> >
> >
> >
> > Researching Higbee, Jones, Craig, Black, Mullen, Gerkin, Gordon, Zinck,
> > Stefanko
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 00:49:55 -0400
> > From:
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> > To:
> > Message-ID:
> > <>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > Donna,
> >
> > I thought that most of his books centered on Cambria County or am
> I mistaken?
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:33 PM 5/16/2007, you wrote:
> > >There are books done by Pastor Paul Ruff of many of the Lutheran
> Churches in
> > >this area. They are available from the Baltzer Meyer Historical Society.
> > >
> > >Donna
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 01:00:59 -0400
> > From: "LIBBY GRIMM" <>
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> > To: <>
> > Message-ID: <000a01c79840$5ce021f0$>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church, Shannondale, PA. Clarion County. It list
> > Joseph Ferringer, Jr. and Caroline Ferringer the last communion service in
> > the old log school house was conducted by Pastor Young, April 12,
> 1846, when
> > the Ferringer couple received communion. I have no listing for Frederick
> > Hermansdorfer. I have a St. John's Evangelical Lutheran Church located in
> > Churchville, PA. Clarion County. St. John's Evangelical Lutheran Church,
> > Fryburg, PA. Clarion County. St. John's Evangelical Lutheran
> Church, Porter
> > Twp., Clarion Co.,PA These are the only St. John's Evg. Lutheran Church
> > listed for Clarion County, PA Do you know what part of Clarion
> County your
> > family settled in? If you know that answer the church could be located
> > easier. The churches in Clarion County now are not located in the
> > Southwestern PA Synod. I think it maybe the Erie Synod. But Rev. Paul Ruff
> > of Greensburg has translated a number of old church records and if you can
> > name the church those records may be translated in book form. Libby
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Karen Moon" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 5:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ALL] Pittsburgh Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church
> >
> >
> > >I received only the dates my ancestors received communion on one sheet of
> > > paper and the outside sheet had a photo copy of this book front.
> > > I thought maybe it contained other types of records.
> > > I checked the Clarion County churches records but not the whole book.
> > > Does it have any records? Michael Lucas --Sarah Jane
> Lucas....Peter Lucas
> > > and Mary Lucas...any Ferringers ???
> > >
> > > Thank You
> > > Karen
> > >
> > >
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > > Visit our Allegheny County, PA Website:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~paallegh/
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> >
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