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Subject: Re: [ALL] St. Clair Cemetery
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 00:25:34 -0400
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Helen,

Since your problems occurred in May of 1873, I went to Pitt historic
site to look at their maps. As you know, they have the 1872
Hopkins
http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/maps/showmap.pl?client=maps&image=1872p116&levels=5&originx=450&originy=1775&lastlevel=1&fullheight=4601&fullwidth=5063&level=2&size=2&image.x=331&image.y=228

As you know, below the maps they list Building and Landmarks on the
Current Map. Listed for cemeteries are Catholic, Lutheran and
Methodist, one of each. St Michael's is listed simply as Cath
Cemetery but it's also just a small fraction of its' present size,
probably about 25%. The Lutheran Cemetery appears to be the
northern half of the present cemetery fronting on Parkwood
Rd. And the Methodist cemetery, of course, is the unnamed one on
the triangle of Brownsville and Hays.

What surprised me is that neither St Peter nor Loretto Cemetery are
on the map but you have to realize that an 1872 map was printed in
1872 and probably compiled in 1870 and/or 1871.

Helen, you have committed at error than many do. There was NEVER a
Lower St Clair BORO. It was St Clair Boro, distinct from Lower ST
Clair TOWNSHIP. St Clair Boro was basically what we call today
"South Side Slopes" but also included the land bordering and North of
Arlington Ave. If I'm reading the map correctly, Arlington Ave was
the dividing line between St Clair Boro to the north and Lower St
Clair Twp to the south.

Helen, I think that you are going to have to research the deeds for
Loretto and St Peter's to see when they were formed. I know you've
done a tremendous amount of work cleaning up Loretto but evidently
you didn't find any evidence. However, if the family was Catholic
and not at St Michael's, my guess would be Loretto.

Does anyone know if records of St Peter's or Loretto are
extant? While the church records are at the diocesan archives, I
know that Catholic Cemeteries didn't cover that area.

Al




At 10:02 PM 8/1/2007, you wrote:
> >Susie and all,
>I thought it might be, but I had to be sure. For all of you though I know
>that some of you like AL already know:
>I have from the archives of the catholic diocese the following
>information, a great great grandfather, Casper/Gasper Schirra buried on
>May 9th, 1873 from St. Joseph Church into St. Clair Twp Cemetery.
>The St. Joseph's referred to is the one called St. Joseph's of Mt Oliver,
>except it's actual site is in what was referred to as Lower St. Clair
>Boro.
>
>His son's family with whom he resided lived with in the same area. They
>were poor. The cemetery they would use had to be within walking distance,
>and be in use by 1873.
> It can not be St. Michael's as another great great grandfather was buried
>there in 1867 and it was already known as St. Michael's. It can not be
>St. Joseph/St George as that did not open until 1888/89.
>What is left is St. Peter and Loretto. That is unless someone knows of
>another was covered over or lost.
>I have had various suggestions but not real verification. I have walked
>most of the cemeteries in the area though I doubt he had a headstone.
>Anybody come across some definitive information I would love to know
>HELEN L>
>
>
>
>
>
> Helen:
> >
> > The St. Clair Cemetery referred to here is a Presbyterian Cemetery. The
> > listings in the Catholic interment records refer to a "St. Clair Township"
> > Cemetery which could be either St. Michael's or the early St. Peter's
> > Cemetery. They were both burying in 1873, but I'm not certain which one/or
> > both was in St. Clair Township.
> >
> > At one time a member of our Society called the St. Clair Cemetery to see
> > if
> > they possibly had a Catholic section; they did not.
> >
> > It would be interesting to get this issue resolved, but so far we haven't
> > located any definitive records at the archives. I'll try to remember to
> > check and see the time frame when the burials were at St. Clair and when
> > they switched to the church cemetery.
> >
> > Suzie
> >
> >
> >
> >>From:
> >>Reply-To:
> >>To:
> >>Subject: Re: [ALL] update on funeral home pleadings for family info
> >>Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:12:57 -0400 (EDT)
> >>
> >> >Annie,
> >>Your mentioned St. Clair Cemetery. Do you know for sure where this is?
> >>I have been looking for it for some years now. One of my great great
> >>grandfather is suppose to be buried there in 1873. My best information
> >>whihc is oral is that it was what is now called Loretto.
> >>What do you know?
> >>HELEN L>
> >> Hi List,
> >> >
> >> > Just wanted to update you all in my search for the family of Charles
> >> > Edward Simmons III. After much pleading on my part and showing the
> >> > funeral home my long term interest in Allegheny Co genealogy i.e. my
> >> > pet project- St. Clair Cemetery, -- they have agreed to forward my
> >> info
> >> > to his daughter-- so I am one step closer to finding living breathing
> >> > kin-- now, if she just responds!!
> >> >
> >> > So I guess the moral is: When contacting funeral homes for old info-
> >> > show them you are legit geni and maybe, they'll assist you in your
> >> > efforts.
> >> >
> >> > annie
> >> >
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