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From: "Carol S." <>
Subject: Re: [PABEAVER-L] Re: PABEAVER-D Digest V01 #280
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:01:03 -0700
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Yes, very interesting and not frequently considered by us in our ancestors
lives. While busy with housework I find myself trying to imagine what their
daily lives were like... sometimes wish I could get into their heads. Mine
were 'land lubbers' I believe. Carol S.

> Carol and all,
> Don't forget the canals. There were in all 1243 miles of canals running
from the eastern states on into Ohio. Read all about them in the book by
William H. Shank "The Amazing Pennsylvania Canals." We think maybe our
ancestors came from N.Y. city to Johnstown in 1848-49 via
> canal. I happened to get my copy at the Johnstown Flood Museum, but I
am sure other museums and libraries have a copy or could get one for you.
> An interesting subject--transportation.
>
> Ann from Ohio
>
> wrote:
>
> > Subject:
> >
> > PABEAVER-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 280
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> > #1 [PABEAVER-L] Travel mode 1850-1870 ["Carol S."
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> > #2 Re: [PABEAVER-L] Travel mode 1850- ["SandKey"
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> > #3 Re: [PABEAVER-L] Travel mode 1850- ["Cathy Raber"
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> > #4 Re: [PABEAVER-L] Travel mode 1850- ["Charles Duggins"
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> > Subject: [PABEAVER-L] Travel mode 1850-1870
> > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:25:21 -0700
> > From: "Carol S." <>
> > To:
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what would be the most common, affordable, mode of
travel, East to West in Pennsylvania in the mid to late 1800's? Would it be
by rail? What if a family was moving and had household goods to transport?
Still rail, or if not, what other modes were available?
> >
> > Thanks in advance to anyone who has looked into this. Carol S.
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________
> >
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> >
> > Subject: Re: [PABEAVER-L] Travel mode 1850-1870
> > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:01:22 -0500
> > From: "SandKey" <>
> > To:
> >
> > My ancestors worked on the railroads from eastern PA to Ohio and beyond.
My
> > great grandmother told of stories of visiting relatives..and the only
> > transportation she ever mentioned was the rail.
> >
> > Here is a bit of the history:
> >
> > History of The PA Railroad
> > through OH
> > The following newspaper article written in 1949
> > newspaper not indicated (possibly Columbus)
> >
> > 1849-1949
> >
> > Roots that are deep in Columbus, central and western OH...roots that go
back
> > to the days when rails were oak with strap iron covers...when trains
went 10
> > miles per hour...when horses were hitched to trains to help them up the
> > hills...that's the PA Railroad, which has grown figuratively from a tiny
> > acorn to a mighty oak tree that is one of the communities largest,
oldest
> > and most steadfast industries.
> >
> > This month, the PA Railroad celebrates its first centenary, which the
> > carrier firm has labeled" One Hundred years of transportation progress.
> > Specifically, the centennial started Saturday, April 13, just 100 years
> > after the PA Railroad was incorporated by an act passed by the
legislature
> > of the state from which the carrier took its name.
> >
> > The beginning of the railroad was a line stretching 249 miles from
> > Harrisburg to Pittsburgh, a line that eventually grew into a system that
is
> > now 26,000 miles long. There was, at a time, a railroad line connecting
> > Harrisburg and Philadelphia, and it was the only natural that the PRR's
> > initial purchase and expansion was this road.
> >
> > The first section opened Sept. 1, 1849, a total of 61 miles, from
Harrisburg
> > to Lewistown. Soon after, the company invested substantially in the OH
and
> > PA railroad (Pittsburgh to Cestline, OH); then in the OH and IN Railroad
> > (Crestline to Ft. Wayne, Ind.) and subsequently, in the Ft. Wayne and
> > Chicago Railroad.
> >
> > Columbus and Central OH's first introduction to the PA Railroad came in
May
> > 1868. Subsidiary lines that were purchased by the "Pennsy" at that time
had
> > been in OH long before that - -since 1832, in fact. That dates marked
the
> > consolidation of the PA with the Pan-Handle Railroad company of PA; the
> > Holliday's Cove railroad, of West Virginia, and the Steubenville &
Indiana
> > Railroad County. which was amalgamated into the Pittsburgh Cincinnati
and
> > St. Louis Railroad.
> >
> > Trips through OH must have been lengthy affairs, with the threshing
> > machine-like engine puffing along a break-neck speed of 40 miles per
hour,
> > and stopping at every cow crossing. Here's the number of stops between
> > Newark, OH and Columbus: Newark, Lockport, Granville, Siding, Union
Station,
> > Kirksville Station, Pataskala Station, Columbus Center, Summit Station,
> > Black Lick Station, Alum Creek Station, Caldwell Station, Arsenal
Station
> > (Ft. Hayes) and Columbus Union Depot. That of course, was before the
days of
> > dining cars, and trains stopped at Dennison, OH to allow passengers to
eat.
> > The Harvey Restaurants didn't function along the PA lines, all of the
eating
> > places being under private ownership.
> >
> > In addition to the through line of the PA, Cincinnati and St. Louis
> > Railroad, the company leased, owned or operated these branch systems:
The
> > Charters Railroad (Mansfield, OH to Washington, Pa) Cincinnati and
Muskingum
> > Valley Railroad; (Dresden Junction to Morrow, OH), the Little Miami
Railroad
> > (Columbus to Cincinnati); the Columbus, Chicago, Indianapolis Central
> > Railroad (Columbus to Indianapolis)..which also had a direct west branch
> > which connected to Fort Wayne, Ind.,through Piqua and Bradford, OH; the
> > Pittsburgh, Wheeling and Kenton railroad, and a line from Xenia to
> > Springfield, a railroad from Xenia to Richmond, Ind., three Indiana and
one
> > IL systems.
> >
> > Its total mileage was 1172 miles. Of course, all of the subsidiary lines
> > listed above didn't have the new-fangled Pullman sleeping cars (the
Pullman
> > County. was incorporated in 1867) but the main line did, and boasted
> > mightily about the service.
> >
> > That's the story of the PA Railroad in OH. Through its services the
owner of
> > the rich valley lands of the OH Valley were enabled to ship their
produce to
> > the eastern seaboard by a short East-West route, and likewise they could
> > obtain agriculture equipment made in the East. Local industries along
the OH
> > were able to expand through ease of access to many markets and
availability
> > of raw materials.
> >
> > In its service, the PA Railroad has more than fulfilled the purpose and
> > visions of the Columbus men who were essential in the plans that brought
> > this mighty rail link through the capital city of the Buckeye State.
> >
> > Hope this helps :)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Carol S." <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:25 PM
> > Subject: [PABEAVER-L] Travel mode 1850-1870
> >
> > > Can anyone tell me what would be the most common, affordable, mode of
> > travel, East to West in Pennsylvania in the mid to late 1800's? Would
it be
> > by rail? What if a family was moving and had household goods to
transport?
> > Still rail, or if not, what other modes were available?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance to anyone who has looked into this. Carol S.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > Subject: Re: [PABEAVER-L] Travel mode 1850-1870
> > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:39:58 -0500
> > From: "Cathy Raber" <>
> > To:
> >
> > Well, I also have
> > found one of my distant relatives, a Frank Plummer, that worked on the
railroad,
> > in Freedom, PA in the early 1900's--moved to Crestline (I think below
says
> > Crestline which is in Central Southern OH) in the early 1900's. I
think
> > this is all facinating isn't it?! Happy hunting to fellow listers,
Cathy
> > Raber
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: SandKey
> >
> > To:
> >
> > Sent: 12/28/01 1:01:22 PM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [PABEAVER-L] Travel mode
> > 1850-1870
> >
> > My ancestors worked on the railroads from eastern PA to Ohio and
> > beyond. My
> >
> > great grandmother told of stories of visiting relatives..and the only
> >
> > transportation she ever mentioned was the rail.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is a bit of the history:
> >
> >
> >
> > History of The PA Railroad
> >
> > through OH
> >
> > The following newspaper article written in 1949
> >
> > newspaper not indicated (possibly Columbus)
> >
> >
> >
> > 1849-1949
> >
> >
> >
> > Roots that are deep in Columbus, central and western OH...roots that go
> > back
> >
> > to the days when rails were oak with strap iron covers...when trains
went
> > 10
> >
> > miles per hour...when horses were hitched to trains to help them up
> > the
> >
> > hills...that's the PA Railroad, which has grown figuratively from a
> > tiny
> >
> > acorn to a mighty oak tree that is one of the communities largest,
> > oldest
> >
> > and most steadfast industries.
> >
> >
> >
> > This month, the PA Railroad celebrates its first centenary, which the
> >
> > carrier firm has labeled" One Hundred years of transportation
> > progress.
> >
> > Specifically, the centennial started Saturday, April 13, just 100
> > years
> >
> > after the PA Railroad was incorporated by an act passed by the
> > legislature
> >
> > of the state from which the carrier took its name.
> >
> >
> >
> > The beginning of the railroad was a line stretching 249 miles from
> >
> > Harrisburg to Pittsburgh, a line that eventually grew into a system that
> > is
> >
> > now 26,000 miles long. There was, at a time, a railroad line
> > connecting
> >
> > Harrisburg and Philadelphia, and it was the only natural that the
> > PRR's
> >
> > initial purchase and expansion was this road.
> >
> >
> >
> > The first section opened Sept. 1, 1849, a total of 61 miles, from
> > Harrisburg
> >
> > to Lewistown. Soon after, the company invested substantially in the OH
> > and
> >
> > PA railroad (Pittsburgh to Cestline, OH); then in the OH and IN
> > Railroad
> >
> > (Crestline to Ft. Wayne, Ind.) and subsequently, in the Ft. Wayne and
> >
> > Chicago Railroad.
> >
> >
> >
> > Columbus and Central OH's first introduction to the PA Railroad came in
> > May
> >
> > 1868. Subsidiary lines that were purchased by the "Pennsy" at that time
> > had
> >
> > been in OH long before that - -since 1832, in fact. That dates marked
> > the
> >
> > consolidation of the PA with the Pan-Handle Railroad company of PA;
> > the
> >
> > Holliday's Cove railroad, of West Virginia, and the Steubenville
> > Indiana
> >
> > Railroad County. which was amalgamated into the Pittsburgh Cincinnati
> > and
> >
> > St. Louis Railroad.
> >
> >
> >
> > Trips through OH must have been lengthy affairs, with the threshing
> >
> > machine-like engine puffing along a break-neck speed of 40 miles per
> > hour,
> >
> > and stopping at every cow crossing. Here's the number of stops
> > between
> >
> > Newark, OH and Columbus: Newark, Lockport, Granville, Siding, Union
> > Station,
> >
> > Kirksville Station, Pataskala Station, Columbus Center, Summit
> > Station,
> >
> > Black Lick Station, Alum Creek Station, Caldwell Station, Arsenal
> > Station
> >
> > (Ft. Hayes) and Columbus Union Depot. That of course, was before the
days
> > of
> >
> > dining cars, and trains stopped at Dennison, OH to allow passengers to
> > eat.
> >
> > The Harvey Restaurants didn't function along the PA lines, all of the
> > eating
> >
> > places being under private ownership.
> >
> >
> >
> > In addition to the through line of the PA, Cincinnati and St. Louis
> >
> > Railroad, the company leased, owned or operated these branch systems:
> > The
> >
> > Charters Railroad (Mansfield, OH to Washington, Pa) Cincinnati and
> > Muskingum
> >
> > Valley Railroad; (Dresden Junction to Morrow, OH), the Little Miami
> > Railroad
> >
> > (Columbus to Cincinnati); the Columbus, Chicago, Indianapolis Central
> >
> > Railroad (Columbus to Indianapolis)..which also had a direct west
> > branch
> >
> > which connected to Fort Wayne, Ind.,through Piqua and Bradford, OH;
> > the
> >
> > Pittsburgh, Wheeling and Kenton railroad, and a line from Xenia to
> >
> > Springfield, a railroad from Xenia to Richmond, Ind., three Indiana and
> > one
> >
> > IL systems.
> >
> >
> >
> > Its total mileage was 1172 miles. Of course, all of the subsidiary
> > lines
> >
> > listed above didn't have the new-fangled Pullman sleeping cars (the
> > Pullman
> >
> > County. was incorporated in 1867) but the main line did, and boasted
> >
> > mightily about the service.
> >
> >
> >
> > That's the story of the PA Railroad in OH. Through its services the
owner
> > of
> >
> > the rich valley lands of the OH Valley were enabled to ship their
produce
> > to
> >
> > the eastern seaboard by a short East-West route, and likewise they
> > could
> >
> > obtain agriculture equipment made in the East. Local industries along
the
> > OH
> >
> > were able to expand through ease of access to many markets and
> > availability
> >
> > of raw materials.
> >
> >
> >
> > In its service, the PA Railroad has more than fulfilled the purpose
> > and
> >
> > visions of the Columbus men who were essential in the plans that
> > brought
> >
> > this mighty rail link through the capital city of the Buckeye State.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps :)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: "Carol S."
> >
> > To:
> >
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:25 PM
> >
> > Subject: [PABEAVER-L] Travel mode 1850-1870
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what would be the most common, affordable, mode
> > of
> >
> > travel, East to West in Pennsylvania in the mid to late
> > 1800's? Would it be
> >
> > by rail? What if a family was moving and had household goods to
> > transport?
> >
> > Still rail, or if not, what other modes were available?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance to anyone who has looked into this. Carol
> > S.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> > mailto:
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > --- Cathy Raber
> >
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> >
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> >
> > Subject: Re: [PABEAVER-L] Travel mode 1850-1870
> > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:18:04 -0500
> > From: "Charles Duggins" <>
> > To:
> >
> > Hi Cathy
> > Well, your Frank probably knew my grandfather, William Horace Mann.
Grandpa
> > was a YMCA secretary in charge of the "Y" in Crestline, Crawford Co.,
Ohio.
> > My Uncle Bill and Aunt Lillian were both born there in 1908 and 1910,
> > respectively. Later they moved to Freedom, and to the "Y" for the
Conway
> > yards. After that it was to Coxton Yards in Pittston, Pa, in the east.
> > Where there was a large railroad Yard, there was usually Y for the men
to go
> > to and get meals and a bed in a "Christian" atmosphere.
> >
> > Marcia
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cathy Raber" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 6:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PABEAVER-L] Travel mode 1850-1870
> >
> > >
> > > Well, I also have
> > > found one of my distant relatives, a Frank Plummer, that worked on the
> > railroad,
> > > in Freedom, PA in the early 1900's--moved to Crestline (I think
below
> > says
> > > Crestline which is in Central Southern OH) in the early 1900's. I
think
> > > this is all facinating isn't it?! Happy hunting to fellow listers,
Cathy
> > > Raber
> > >
>
>
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