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From: "Mike" <>
Subject: Re: [PA-CAMERON] Mike Wennen - 2 different people
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:56:46 -0400
References: <20030517001727.57471.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>


I found where Maggie died also. I will send you the death record. I also
found 2 deeds with Patrick Connor's name. the second with his wife Jane. I
will send them along too.

Could not find any mention of Thomas. He would be in the tax records I
imagine. I have not gotten around to looking through them yet.

Mike Wennin
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----- Original Message -----
From: DIANE PERKINS <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:17 PM
Subject: [PA-CAMERON] Mike Wennen - 2 different people


> Dear Mike:
> I myself have wondered about that...but thought they
> just had the wrong ages written in the census records.
> From the census records here is what I have:
>
> 1870
> James Clary age 37 b. Ireland cannot write
> Jane Clary age 25 b. Ireland
> Delaphan age 8 MW born England
> Mary age 4 FW b. PA
> Thomas age 2 MW b. PA
>
> 1880
> Patrick Connor(s) age 32 b. Ireland
> Jane Connor(s) age 34 b. Ireland
> Della Clary st son age 17 WM b. PA
> Thomas Clary St.son age 11 WM b. PA
> Maggie Clary St. daughter age 9 b. PA
> Jennie Connor(s) age 6 b. PA
> Luke Connor(s) age 4 b. PA
> William Connor(s) age 2 b. PA
>
> Delaphan is Charles J. Clary (Cleary) note age
> discrepancy and birth place between 1870/1880.
> Thomas' age works out okay
> Mary may have been a first born girl
> Maggie may have been a second born girl
>
> While I can find no record of (Margaret)Jane marrying
> a second time, I do have a death record from St.
> Mary's Church, St. Mary's,PA for one James Cleary died
> Emporium, PA July 29, 1872 of tuberculosis. There is
> also a marriage record for a James Cleary marrying
> a Margaret Jane Hogan (Hagen) JANUARY, 1865. Than
> there is a baptism of Mary Josephine Cleary b.
> 1-5-1866. This same girl dies on Mar. 22, 1873.
> Another
> baptismal is recorded for Thomas Edward Cleary born
> on June 14, 1868. The parents listed for the girl and
> boy are James Cleary and Margaret Jane Hogan
> as is the record for the Mary Josephine who dies
> Mar 22, 1873. It is possible that another daughter
> was born after the 1870 census and was named Margaret
> but no baptismal records have been found on any of the
> other four children born to Margaret Jane. The son
> Thomas dies as the result of an accident in
> Cincinnati, OH in January 1893 age about 25. His death
> info is given by his brother Charles Deli Cleary and
> gives the parents names as James and Margaret Jane
> Cleary. The death of this Thomas and the relationship
> to brother Deli is confirmed in a letter to the
> Cameron Press written by Jane Connor(s)
> the mother of the two.
>
> On the 1880 census there is a Thomas Cleary married to
> Margaret with a daughters Mary and Ellen (should
> be Helen. The two later aka as Mayme and Nel). This
> family line in my ggf. When Margaret Jane Connor(s)
> dies, the Cameron County Press prints an article
> that say her body was returned to Emporium and was met
> at the station by an Egan funeral director and taken
> to the home of her brother Thomas. I believe the
> article should have read brother-in-law.
>
> On the death certificate of Charles "Delaphan" Cleary
> his youngest child Mary lists his parents as Thomas
> Cleary and Mary Carney. His birth date is given as
> June 3, 1865 and his birth place as Emporium.
> Certainly enough discrepancies here! It is family
> tradition that Charles age was lied about so that he
> could work on the railroad. True? False? Seems
> strange that St. Mary's has baptismal records which
> would match with "Mary" and Thomas" but not for the
> first born "Delaphan". I checked the census records
> and so did my cousin in Cincinnati but neither of us
> spotted a second James Clary in Cameron county in
> 1870, so that would I believe eliminate a second
> family with the same or similar names. I doubt
> Charles "Delly" father was Thomas my ggf because of
> age and the fact that my ggf only had girls - 9 out of
> 9.
>
> I now believe you may be correct in that their were
> two different girls but I don't believe the first
> would have married and been gone by 1880 as she would
> only have been 14, young even for 1880; the other
> reason is the death record at St. Mary's Church which
> corresponds nicely to the first girl's age.
> Now if only I could find that second piece of
> documentation that gives Margaret Jane's maiden name
> verifying for sure whether it is Hogan or Carney. I
> doubt Carney as the name doesn't appear anywhere else.
> There are plenty of Hogans however in your area and
> there is a Hogan who was a witness on my ggf's
> Petition for citizenship. Because of what appear to be
> numereous document errors, we believe it is necessary
> to find Margaret Jane's maiden name. It would also be
> potentially beneficial if we could document it as
> Hogan because the marriage record at St. Mary's shows
> James parents as Thomas Cleary and Mary Duly (Deely?
> fancy writing) My ggf's death certificate lists his
> father as Thomas Cleary and Mary ? last name
> illegible.
> Sorry for the length of this but there is no short
> way to tell the tale. I deeply appreciate the time it
> cost you to read it all. Any further thoughts on the
> matter? You must admit this is one scrambled mess!
>
> Now you know why I am interested in the rail line
> out of Emporium...I certainly would like to find
> baptismal certs on those other kids. I know they were
> baptised somewhere as the families remained Roman
> Catholic and they would need the certs for marriage.
> The Connor(s) family disappears from Emporium after
> the 1880 census and the next place I find them is in
> Ashtabula, OH 1900/1901 City Directory. That clue
> came from The Cameron Press article on Jane's death
> stating her body was brought from Ashtabula...they
> didn't sit her in a car chair so a funeral home had to
> have prepared her remains for shipment...I found the
> funeral home and they supplied me with a death record.
> God does work in mysterious ways.
>
> Aren't you glad you aren't Irish with there name
> patterns of using the same names over and over...the
> first born son named after the father's father, the
> second born son named after the father, the third born
> son after the wife's father's father and the fourth
> after the wife's father. The same is for the female
> names. I have umpteen Margaret's, Mary's, Thomas's
> and Jame's!
>
> Bless you again for all you efforts for those of us
> with roots in Emporium, especially those of us 2600
> miles or so away!
> Diane
>
>
>
>
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