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From: "Roy Johnson" <>
Subject: Re: [PACE] Proofs for John of M ancestry
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:07:29 -0600
In-Reply-To: <002b01c7470b$6d669440$022ea8c0@brat>


Oops! I intended this privately for Jack. This stupid system--I thought I
was replying to him individually. Please excuse! However, I don't think
there is anything inflammatory in it.

Roy

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf
Of Roy Johnson
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:48 PM
To:
Subject: [PACE] Proofs for John of M ancestry

Jack,

I have seen your posts questioning some of Gordon's evidence about the
Shropshire Paces. I have not had time to review everything but I have
checked some of it. I have a couple of observations and questions for you.

First, do you accept the evidence that John of Middlesex was John of
Shropshire born 1665?

This is as far as I had taken it previously. Although there is no paper
record, to me a mountain of circumstantial evidence can be just as strong,
and there is certainly a mountain of circumtantial evidence in this case.

How likely is it that two people (John of M and George of Shropshire b.
1770) living a continent apart would name five of their children with
exactly the same given names and in the same order?

Add in these facts: (1) John of Shropshire's 1665 birth date is withing the
parameters set by Ruth Keys Clark for the birth date of John of M. (2)
Gordon Pace of Canada's DNA matches perfectly with the John of M submitters
(3) Gordon has proven ancestry to the above George b. 1770.

It would seem to me that the odds of all of these known facts occurring by
sheer coincidence are very great. How great would be anyone's guess, but at
least 100 to 1.

Do you accept the evidence so far?

Secondly, Gordon submits the following:


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* * JOHN PACE
- Chr 22 Sep 1665
WROCKWARDINE, Shropshire
- Father JOSEPH PACE
- Mother MARGARET - P006621

* * GEORGE PACE
- Chr 28 May 1670
PREES, Shropshire
- Father: JOSEPH PACE
- Mother not mentioned

but George's 1st child also named MARGARET

----------------------

This seems valid to me. So it appears John and George were the children of
Joseph Pace and Margaret, although the Palmer surname is not proven here.

Also, both John of M and George of Shropshire named children Joseph and
Margaret.

Do you accept this evidence so far? If not, why not?

I have not checked out the Rowland Pace connection but my impression at
present is that this is shaky.

Roy Johnson


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Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [PACE] RE- I am under the impression this will pass Muster
ASGenealogy??

According to the Christ Church Parish Register, Middlesex County Va.
Stephen Johnson, son of William and Margaret,born 1, Feb. 1740/1.
Margaret Pace his mother was also born in Middlesex County Va." Margaret
Pace daughter of John and Elizabeth bapt. 15, Mar. 1701/2. She may have been
born earlier for all children were not bapt. at their birth. William Johnson
and Margaret Pace married 26, Sept. 1721. She would have been about 20 years
old. You guess that he was born in 1700 sounds logical.
Joseph Pace brother to Margaret ad a daughter Susannah who was born about
[NP] 1740 in Goochland Co. Va. The Johnsons and Joseph pace families lived
close to each other on Little Byrd Creek. William Johnson purchased from
Chas. Bond of Goochland Co. Va. 250 acres for 18 pounds. The deed was
recorded 20, April 1736. Joseph Pace was a witness.Goochland Co.Va.
Wills and deeds 1726-1736 p. 75. As you can see there is a slight area for
concern for if Wm. Johnson purchased land in 1736 in Goochland and Stephen
Johnson was born in Middlesex in 1741 how do we account for the 5 year
difference. Like your thoughts???? Jack Pace/Wms.burg Va.

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 03:04:49 EST writes:
> Starting abt. William Johnson B <ca> 1700 Middlesex County Va. M.
> Margaret
> Pace Bapt. 3/15/1701 To Son
> Stephen Johnson b 2/1/1741 Goochland Co Va. D. Amherst Co Married
> Susannah Pace B. <ca> 1740 D After 1813 in Nelson County,
>
> Stephen Johnson B. 1783 Amherst Co. Va. M. Elizabeth Perry, There
> were 8 Children.
>
> NOW Naming # of them.
>
> #- 1 My 2nd Grt Grand Father; George Rodney Johnson B.
> 1819 Died 1914 In the C. S. A. There Pension records.
>
> #- 2 Uncle, Lawson W. Johnson - Enrolled for Active Service on
> May/11/1861 Last Pay Sept/1 1861 sent home With Typhoid Fever & Died
> in Rockbridge Co va OCT/27.1861
>
> #- 3 Uncle Stephen Gordon Johnson, Went through the War & Lost an
> Arm.
>
> WHAT ever the war was called, it is a recorded Fact That the Pace
> Family Connected Johnsons Paid a Price.
>
> OH YEA <PS> I find a Very good method of Keeping Fresh Greens is to
> Cut the top from a gallon Milk Jug, Fill with Green's & run all of the
> Water that you can get & Freez.
>
> Later when Used Thaw, Fresh Green's
>
> OH & I am Sure G. G. Grand Pa George Rodney Johnson
> AS well as his Grand Ma Susannah Pace Johnson ET Greens too. THIS
> C. S. A.
> INFORMATION on G. G. Grt Uncle Lawson Johnson was Done BY A Pro, I
> have a 30 page print out on Lawson Johnson.
>
> CUZ A T <>
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