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Subject: Re: [PACE] Proofs for John of M ancestry
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:52:36 -0500


I have studied Gordons (Canada) George Pace lineage and will accept it if
in fact he has documented it starting from himself back to Shropshire
Paces. His DNA match would indicate that this line is connected to John
Pace of Middlesex. I'm not sure at what point this lineage connects. As
far as John Pace 1665 I do not see conclusive evidence that Josuah and
Joseph chr. 07, June 1618 were the same person and a son of Rowland.
annnd farther to John Pace 1665. Gordons words " Joshah thought to be
Joseph, father of John Pace chr. 1665." For me to concede that
Josush/Joseph who married Margaret Palmer was the father of John of
Middlesex County Virginia demands some hard evidence. I quote from a
Gordon E-Mail " It looks obvious to me, they changed from Joshua to
Joseph when he went from parish to parish. Determining this is made easy
by the very few PACE entrys. collected after searching all the local
parishes in North Shopshire parishes and finding these Pace christerings.
Your comments concenin naming pattern, while a indicator, is not evidence
of relationship. A Price family in Middlesex have children named very
close to John of Middlesex, however no family connection is found.
One of Gordons web pages indicates that Sarah Pace Davis married Randolph
Roads in 1724, Randolph Roads and Sarah DAVIES married 27, Nov. 1724. All
Middlesex records record Sarah as Sarah Davis and not as Sarah
DAVIES.There were several Davis, Davies families in Middlesex during this
period. Jack Pace / Wmsburg,Va.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:47:59 -0600 "Roy Johnson" <>
writes:
> Jack,
>
> I have seen your posts questioning some of Gordon's evidence about
> the
> Shropshire Paces. I have not had time to review everything but I
> have
> checked some of it. I have a couple of observations and questions
> for you.
>
> First, do you accept the evidence that John of Middlesex was John of
> Shropshire born 1665?
>
> This is as far as I had taken it previously. Although there is no
> paper
> record, to me a mountain of circumstantial evidence can be just as
> strong,
> and there is certainly a mountain of circumtantial evidence in this
> case.
>
> How likely is it that two people (John of M and George of Shropshire
> b.
> 1770) living a continent apart would name five of their children
> with
> exactly the same given names and in the same order?
>
> Add in these facts: (1) John of Shropshire's 1665 birth date is
> withing the
> parameters set by Ruth Keys Clark for the birth date of John of M.
> (2)
> Gordon Pace of Canada's DNA matches perfectly with the John of M
> submitters
> (3) Gordon has proven ancestry to the above George b. 1770.
>
> It would seem to me that the odds of all of these known facts
> occurring by
> sheer coincidence are very great. How great would be anyone's
> guess, but at
> least 100 to 1.
>
> Do you accept the evidence so far?
>
> Secondly, Gordon submits the following:
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> * * JOHN PACE
> - Chr 22 Sep 1665
> WROCKWARDINE, Shropshire
> - Father JOSEPH PACE
> - Mother MARGARET - P006621
>
> * * GEORGE PACE
> - Chr 28 May 1670
> PREES, Shropshire
> - Father: JOSEPH PACE
> - Mother not mentioned
>
> but George's 1st child also named MARGARET
>
> ----------------------
>
> This seems valid to me. So it appears John and George were the
> children of
> Joseph Pace and Margaret, although the Palmer surname is not proven
> here.
>
> Also, both John of M and George of Shropshire named children Joseph
> and
> Margaret.
>
> Do you accept this evidence so far? If not, why not?
>
> I have not checked out the Rowland Pace connection but my impression
> at
> present is that this is shaky.
>
> Roy Johnson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:39 PM
> To:
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [PACE] RE- I am under the impression this will pass
> Muster
> ASGenealogy??
>
> According to the Christ Church Parish Register, Middlesex County Va.
> Stephen Johnson, son of William and Margaret,born 1, Feb. 1740/1.
> Margaret Pace his mother was also born in Middlesex County Va."
> Margaret
> Pace daughter of John and Elizabeth bapt. 15, Mar. 1701/2. She may
> have been
> born earlier for all children were not bapt. at their birth. William
> Johnson
> and Margaret Pace married 26, Sept. 1721. She would have been about
> 20 years
> old. You guess that he was born in 1700 sounds logical.
> Joseph Pace brother to Margaret ad a daughter Susannah who was born
> about
> [NP] 1740 in Goochland Co. Va. The Johnsons and Joseph pace families
> lived
> close to each other on Little Byrd Creek. William Johnson purchased
> from
> Chas. Bond of Goochland Co. Va. 250 acres for 18 pounds. The deed
> was
> recorded 20, April 1736. Joseph Pace was a witness.Goochland Co.Va.
> Wills and deeds 1726-1736 p. 75. As you can see there is a slight
> area for
> concern for if Wm. Johnson purchased land in 1736 in Goochland and
> Stephen
> Johnson was born in Middlesex in 1741 how do we account for the 5
> year
> difference. Like your thoughts???? Jack Pace/Wms.burg Va.
>
> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 03:04:49 EST writes:
> > Starting abt. William Johnson B <ca> 1700 Middlesex County Va.
> M.
> > Margaret
> > Pace Bapt. 3/15/1701 To Son
> > Stephen Johnson b 2/1/1741 Goochland Co Va. D. Amherst Co Married
>
> > Susannah Pace B. <ca> 1740 D After 1813 in Nelson County,
> >
> > Stephen Johnson B. 1783 Amherst Co. Va. M. Elizabeth Perry,
> There
> > were 8 Children.
> >
> > NOW Naming # of them.
> >
> > #- 1 My 2nd Grt Grand Father; George Rodney Johnson B.
> > 1819 Died 1914 In the C. S. A. There Pension records.
> >
> > #- 2 Uncle, Lawson W. Johnson - Enrolled for Active Service on
> > May/11/1861 Last Pay Sept/1 1861 sent home With Typhoid Fever &
> Died
> > in Rockbridge Co va OCT/27.1861
> >
> > #- 3 Uncle Stephen Gordon Johnson, Went through the War & Lost
> an
> > Arm.
> >
> > WHAT ever the war was called, it is a recorded Fact That the
> Pace
> > Family Connected Johnsons Paid a Price.
> >
> > OH YEA <PS> I find a Very good method of Keeping Fresh Greens is
> to
> > Cut the top from a gallon Milk Jug, Fill with Green's & run all of
> the
> > Water that you can get & Freez.
> >
> > Later when Used Thaw, Fresh Green's
> >
> > OH & I am Sure G. G. Grand Pa George Rodney Johnson
> > AS well as his Grand Ma Susannah Pace Johnson ET Greens too.
> THIS
> > C. S. A.
> > INFORMATION on G. G. Grt Uncle Lawson Johnson was Done BY A Pro,
> I
> > have a 30 page print out on Lawson Johnson.
> >
> > CUZ A T <>
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It is indeed a desirable thing to be well decended, but
the glory belongs to our ancestors. Plutarch.

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