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From: "Roy Johnson" <>
Subject: Re: [PACE] Fw: World Names-Wales
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:03:23 -0500
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I have several illustrations in my family of how things can get transferred
in family lore from one side of the family to another. In one instance, an
elderly lady in identifying the people in an old picture identified one
person as the husband's brother when he was actually the wife's brother; she
just remembered that he was "uncle X" but was obviously fuzzy on which side
of the family he was on.

My own case is interesting and very puzzling. My brick wall is five
generations back in Madison County, Kentucky. The information has passed
down that the Johnson name is Swedish (it could be Swedish or English), but
there weren't many Swedes in Appalachian Kentucky.

My DNA says the male line is West African, with closest matches in Senegal.
My nephew and I match with each other but with no other Johnsons in the
study, which is much larger than the Pace study--hundreds of submissions.
While this conclusion is "iffy", I did run on to a member of a different
line going to my g-grandfather who said his branch had a story of African
ancestry somewhere but no specifics. That surprised me; most families in
those days would not want that known.

A very speculative hypothesis: there were Swedes in Delaware and New Jersey
in the 1600s, and there were small colonies of free Africans among them. If
a Swedish girl or woman had a child by one of those free Africans (Swedes
did not frown on this practice), he would probably be raised Swedish, would
take her surname, and would marry Swedish. After about five generations, the
African characteristics would wash out but the male line tracing would still
be West African. This would be an instance of the family legend crossing the
female line over into the male line but it would be accurate in this
case--the Johnson name would be Swedish but the male line would be West
African.

So, just a suggestion--could the name Llewellyn and the story of Welsh
ancestry come from the female side somewhere, and get crossed over in the
retelling to the male side?

Maybe not--I think there is a letter on the Pace Network that says it was
specifically tied to the Pace name and that the Pace name was more common in
Wales than Smith. That isn't true in Wales proper but is certainly true in
the border area that was sometimes Wales and sometimes not.

Just some speculation.

Roy Johnson



-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf
Of Lois Long Carey
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [PACE] Fw: World Names

Once again I think of the name James Llewellyn Pace in my family and that of

George Llewellyn Pace of Albemarle VA
I have been told that my pace ancestors were three brothers from Ireland or
Wales.
Thru the DNA testing it is believed they are descended from John Pace of
Middlesex.
Any other Llewellyn Paces known.
John Walker Pace, son of JOhn R.Pace b. 1809, had a brother, James Llewellyn

Pace b. in Fluvanna Co.VA

Lois Carey


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Betty A Pace" <>
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Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:30 PM
Subject: [PACE] Fw: World Names


> Since Wales has come up again, I thought maybe some of you might be
> interested in this web site. However, I can't get it to work (search).
> I got it from a Welsh mailing list.
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>
>
> Thought you might all be interested in
> http://www.publicprofiler.org/worldnames/
> mentioned on today's Radio 4 morning programme. Unfortunately, the site
> crashed while I was on it but it seems like an interesting project to
> chart where names are found in the world.
>
> Betty Pace
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