PACE-L Archives

Archiver > PACE > 2008-09 > 1220821634


From: "Roy Johnson" <>
Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 16:07:14 -0500
References: <cad.3cfac3a6.35f43ea6@aol.com><438871.95765.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <BAY134-W34806FD01BFDA1715DDAA7AB5A0@phx.gbl><001c01c91124$158fa4c0$0200a8c0@jackie01><BAY134-W54C32724506A6F9C8D9DD1AB5A0@phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <BAY134-W54C32724506A6F9C8D9DD1AB5A0@phx.gbl>


I'm trying to piece together some information from my memory--I found by a
desktop google search on my desktop (older) computer that Hartwell Pace in
Missouri applied for membership in the Cherokee Nation because there was
some kind of monetary or land distribution or something. I remember also
that Bruce Howard said a lot of people tried to get in on this. Hartwell's
application was denied. So there was more than popularity involved, there
was a pecuniary reason for having Indian blood. Wish I could get it straight
in my mind or find it--it's a very fuzzy recollection.

Roy Johnson

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf
Of Janders 45
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:31 PM
To: Jackie Pace;
Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended

Jackie,

Prior to the Indian removal to Oklahoma in the 1830's, I suspect that our
ancestors (certainly those on the frontier) were a lot more inclined to kill
Indians than they were to marry or intermate with them, especially during
the Revolution and the War of 1812 when so many Indians sided with the
British or saw the war as an opportunity to chase the white men off their
land. But after the Indians were gone and no longer a threat, our good
Christian ancestors started to feel badly about what they had done to the
poor Indians. Thus began the "noble red man" legend. After a while, having
Indian blood became a mark of distinction rather than the taint that it had
been before the Indian removal. Those of us with dark hair and with a
complexion a bit darker than the norm could get away with the claim, and
many had a grandmother or g-grandmother about whose ancestry little was
known. So, the assumption might have been: "She must have been part Indian
- that must be where we got!

our black hair." After a generation or two, this possibility began to be
passed down in the family as fact.
Remember that there was an alternate explanation for darker than usual
coloration in a family, and especially in the South, having Indian blood was
a lot more socially acceptable than that other alternative. Anyway, that's
my theory about why so many of us have Indian ancestry. Mind you, I
recognize that some of us actually DO have Indian blood. But I suspect that
this number is only a small fraction of the ones who "think" that they have
Indian ancestry.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
Joe
_________________________________________________________________
Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows
Live.
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/

-------------------------------
To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
the subject and the body of the message

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1657 - Release Date: 9/6/2008
8:07 PM

This thread: