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From: "Roy Johnson" <>
Subject: Re: [PACE] Hartwell Pace and application for membership in Cherokeenation
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:23:47 -0500
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I have it somewhere. Not too big a deal as it was denied.

Thanks,

Roy

-----Original Message-----
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Of Lois Long Carey
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:16 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [PACE] Hartwell Pace and application for membership in Cherokee
nation

I Believe that Betty Pace posted a list of the Dawes Roll? on the Pace
list. So maybe if you search the Pace list for her
Postings or look for Hartwell Pace you will find it.



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Johnson" <>
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Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended


> I'm trying to piece together some information from my memory--I found by a
> desktop google search on my desktop (older) computer that Hartwell Pace in
> Missouri applied for membership in the Cherokee Nation because there was
> some kind of monetary or land distribution or something. I remember also
> that Bruce Howard said a lot of people tried to get in on this. Hartwell's
> application was denied. So there was more than popularity involved, there
> was a pecuniary reason for having Indian blood. Wish I could get it
> straight
> in my mind or find it--it's a very fuzzy recollection.
>
> Roy Johnson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:] On
> Behalf
> Of Janders 45
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:31 PM
> To: Jackie Pace;
> Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended
>
> Jackie,
>
> Prior to the Indian removal to Oklahoma in the 1830's, I suspect that our
> ancestors (certainly those on the frontier) were a lot more inclined to
> kill
> Indians than they were to marry or intermate with them, especially during
> the Revolution and the War of 1812 when so many Indians sided with the
> British or saw the war as an opportunity to chase the white men off their
> land. But after the Indians were gone and no longer a threat, our good
> Christian ancestors started to feel badly about what they had done to the
> poor Indians. Thus began the "noble red man" legend. After a while,
> having
> Indian blood became a mark of distinction rather than the taint that it
> had
> been before the Indian removal. Those of us with dark hair and with a
> complexion a bit darker than the norm could get away with the claim, and
> many had a grandmother or g-grandmother about whose ancestry little was
> known. So, the assumption might have been: "She must have been part
> Indian
> - that must be where we got!
>
> our black hair." After a generation or two, this possibility began to be
> passed down in the family as fact.
> Remember that there was an alternate explanation for darker than usual
> coloration in a family, and especially in the South, having Indian blood
> was
> a lot more socially acceptable than that other alternative. Anyway,
> that's
> my theory about why so many of us have Indian ancestry. Mind you, I
> recognize that some of us actually DO have Indian blood. But I suspect
> that
> this number is only a small fraction of the ones who "think" that they
> have
> Indian ancestry.
>
> Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
> Joe
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