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From: "Gordon W. Pace" <>
Subject: Re: [PACE] Hartwell Pace and application for membership in Cherokeenation
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 20:04:39 -0400 (EDT)


Lois and others:
I have a searchable record of the Cherokee Dawes Rolls, as well as other Cherokee rolls on a CD. If anyone would like me to look for someone on this CD please let me know.
Gordon W. Pace

-----Original Message-----
>From: Lois Long Carey <>
>Sent: Sep 7, 2008 5:16 PM
>To:
>Subject: Re: [PACE] Hartwell Pace and application for membership in Cherokee nation
>
>I Believe that Betty Pace posted a list of the Dawes Roll? on the Pace
>list. So maybe if you search the Pace list for her
>Postings or look for Hartwell Pace you will find it.
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Roy Johnson" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended
>
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>> I'm trying to piece together some information from my memory--I found by a
>> desktop google search on my desktop (older) computer that Hartwell Pace in
>> Missouri applied for membership in the Cherokee Nation because there was
>> some kind of monetary or land distribution or something. I remember also
>> that Bruce Howard said a lot of people tried to get in on this. Hartwell's
>> application was denied. So there was more than popularity involved, there
>> was a pecuniary reason for having Indian blood. Wish I could get it
>> straight
>> in my mind or find it--it's a very fuzzy recollection.
>>
>> Roy Johnson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [mailto:] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Janders 45
>> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:31 PM
>> To: Jackie Pace;
>> Subject: Re: [PACE] FTDNA Special extended
>>
>> Jackie,
>>
>> Prior to the Indian removal to Oklahoma in the 1830's, I suspect that our
>> ancestors (certainly those on the frontier) were a lot more inclined to
>> kill
>> Indians than they were to marry or intermate with them, especially during
>> the Revolution and the War of 1812 when so many Indians sided with the
>> British or saw the war as an opportunity to chase the white men off their
>> land. But after the Indians were gone and no longer a threat, our good
>> Christian ancestors started to feel badly about what they had done to the
>> poor Indians. Thus began the "noble red man" legend. After a while,
>> having
>> Indian blood became a mark of distinction rather than the taint that it
>> had
>> been before the Indian removal. Those of us with dark hair and with a
>> complexion a bit darker than the norm could get away with the claim, and
>> many had a grandmother or g-grandmother about whose ancestry little was
>> known. So, the assumption might have been: "She must have been part
>> Indian
>> - that must be where we got!
>>
>> our black hair." After a generation or two, this possibility began to be
>> passed down in the family as fact.
>> Remember that there was an alternate explanation for darker than usual
>> coloration in a family, and especially in the South, having Indian blood
>> was
>> a lot more socially acceptable than that other alternative. Anyway,
>> that's
>> my theory about why so many of us have Indian ancestry. Mind you, I
>> recognize that some of us actually DO have Indian blood. But I suspect
>> that
>> this number is only a small fraction of the ones who "think" that they
>> have
>> Indian ancestry.
>>
>> Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
>> Joe
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