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From: GEN-PICS <>
Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: John Graeff/Groff
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:12:51 -0500


Up until about 5 years ago you could order service records, etc. from NARA for $10. They have gone UP on the prices. Be prepared to pay big bucks in the 21st Century.


Peggy K. Reeves wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> Each "Patriot" listed in the DAR Patriot Index would have been "proven" by
> one of his descendants who joined the DAR. The DAR will make copies of
> members' applications, but they charge $10.00 per application. The
> application would list all of the applicant's links back to the soldier,
> with names and dates and a list of supporting "proofs" that were used to
> prove it. If you want copies of the actual proof documents that were used,
> you would have to get the proof file.
>
> I use the term "proven" loosely, since in the early days of DAR, they didn't
> require much, if any, proof. Now they are sticklers for proof of each link.
> If there are recent applications for the "Patriot" that you are interested
> in, there will be a proof file at the DAR Library in Washington, D.C. that
> contains the various vital record documents and other proofs that were used,
> that can be copied. They would not give you b/m/d certificates for anyone
> who might still be living, but the older links would be there. If the
> application was not recent, it is possible that a proof file doesn't exist.
> Many of the proofs that people use come from transcriptions of vital record
> documents that have been published and are in books at the DAR Library.
>
> For the men in the Patriot Index who are listed as soldiers (not just
> "Patriots"), the National Archives would probably have a compiled service
> record for most of them. It appears that only one of the Groff men that I
> listed was pensioned for his revolutionary service. That pension file would
> tell you a lot. It would not be at the DAR Library, it would be on
> microfilm at the National Archives. I don't know if they have the
> Revolutionary pension microfilm at the other branches of NARA or not, but I
> know that it is here in D.C. I am unsure if this microfilm can be obtained
> on interlibrary loan or not. You could probably check the NARA website.
> The Family History Centers might have it available, but I don't know.
>
> The DAR has an online catalog of books, but they don't have any list of
> Patriots, proofs, or applications online that you can search. The book
> catalog is searchable at:
>
> www.dar.org
>
> The National Archives site is:
>
> www.nara.gov
>
> I work as an independent researcher at both places, so I am familiar with
> what they have, I just don't know how much is available long-distance. I
> would defer those questions to others on the list who might know. DAR proof
> files and soldiers' pension and bounty land files at NARA are a great
> resource.
>
> Peggy Reeves
> Burtonsville, MD
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "louis + chris lavilla" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] Re: John Graeff/Groff
>
>
> > Hi Peggy,
> > Thanks for your info. Where can I access DAR info? Can you access the
> > genealogy records as well?
> > Chris :)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peggy K. Reeves" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:37 PM
> > Subject: [PALANCAS] Re: John Graeff/Groff
> >
> >
> > > The 2003 edition of the DAR Patriot Index lists 6 "John" under the
> heading
> > > "Groff, Graeff, Graff, Graft, Grave, Grove", as follows:
> > >
> > > 1. John b. 11-5 1757 PA, d. 4-4-1828 PA, m. Elizabeth Hollinger, Pvt,
> PA
> > >
> > > 2. John b. 7-23-1750 PA, d. 12-11-1843 MO, m.(1) Susan Fox (2) Margaret
> > Ann
> > > Newkirk, Sol Wgn PA PNSR WPNS HPNS
> > >
> > > 3. John b. c. 1700 PA, d. 1780 MD, m. Elizabeth Carpenter PS MD
> > >
> > > 4. John b. c. 1730 PA, d. 1785 PA, m. Barbara X, Capt PA
> > >
> > > 5. John b. c. 1765 VA, d. p. 1810, m. Mary Brown, Pvt VA
> > >
> > > 6. John Peter b. c. 1730 GR, d. 1-1-1800 PA, m. Anna Maria Yost, Pvt PA
> > >
> > > There may be others who served as soldiers or provided other assistance
> in
> > > the Revolutionary War, but these are the ones who have been "proven" by
> > > their descendants. There would probably be a lot of information on John
> > #2,
> > > since he was not only a pensioner, but his widow and eventually his
> heirs
> > > were pensioned, as well.
> > >
> > > Peggy Reeves
> > > Burtonsville, MD
> > >
> > >
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