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From: Bobbi McMullen <>
Subject: Re: [PALANCAS] DAR answers
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:15:18 -0400
References: <006b01c48787$fc153700$6401a8c0@george9i40sb79> <026f01c487e3$33715d90$9800a8c0@parents2>
In-Reply-To: <026f01c487e3$33715d90$9800a8c0@parents2>


Dear Kathy,
Just a couple of other notes concerning DAR applications. It really
wasn't till into the 1970's or later that they really got strict about
the proofs. Also even if your soldier is still in the current patriot
list, the service will be carefully checked again. They have for the
last few years been updating the files and rechecking all service for
patriots. I took the week long volunteer gene class and that was one of
the first things they taught us. If someone is within 4 generations
related to someone who previously joined and the proofs can not be
reverified, they do as a last resort have what they call a legacy membersip.
For the member there is no difference, just no future members can piggy
back off of the app.
Just some thoughts
Bobbi

Peggy K. Reeves wrote:

>Hi Kathy
>
>No, I don't know what year the DAR started requiring proofs of each name,
>date, and place. I do know that 1930's are in the "early days" when strict
>proof was not required. In fact, the very early applications didn't even
>ask for dates and places for each link. I'm not sure when the changeover
>took place, but I have found some pretty sloppy work from the 1920s and
>1930s. If you already have copies of applications, do they list the proofs
>used for each generation? If not, then there probably won't be a proof
>file.
>
>If your cousin submitted in "later years" it would depend how much later,
>and whether or not the application that was being used at that time required
>names and dates and proof documents. You would not be the first person to
>have found a mistake, even on a line that allegedly had proofs. The same
>piece of information can be recorded a number of different ways depending
>which document you look at. My own father's death certificate is wrong
>because my grieving mother was not thinking clearly when she gave the
>information about my father's parents--she gave the wrong maiden name for
>his mother, though she certainly knew what it was.
>
>Yes, it is now more difficult to "ride in" on someone else's application if
>they didn't provide good proofs in the first place. For every piece of data
>you put on your DAR application, the DAR will want to see a proof for it.
>If you can't prove a wife's maiden name, for example, then you have to leave
>it blank. You must prove each name, date, and place that you put down, and
>you also have to provide a proof that links each generation to the next.
>
>Who is your soldier? I'll look him up and see if he's still in the Patriot
>Index. Many have disappeared from the index as time has gone on, because
>soldiers who were allegedly "proven" were then proven wrong by someone.
>
>Peggy Reeves
>Burtonsville, MD
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "George & Kathy Zagorac" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 10:05 AM
>Subject: Re: [PALANCAS]re: DAR/for Peggy
>
>
>
>
>>Peggy,
>>Do you know "how" recent the applications have to be to have the sources
>>strictly proven? I received several copied applications for a certain
>>soldier. Some of the applications were proven in the 1930s. I also have
>>
>>
>one
>
>
>>that my grandmother's cousin submitted in later years. Hers was approved
>>and she had the wrong grandfather listed. I'm sure of my research, yet, I
>>would think she would know who her grandfather was. Would like to get her
>>proof file if her sources were thoroughly checked.
>>
>>Another question....... if the application cites previously approved
>>applications, do they now check those as well?
>>
>>Thank you for your help.
>>Kathy
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Peggy K. Reeves" <>
>>To: <>
>>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:24 PM
>>Subject: [PALANCAS] Re: John Graeff/Groff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>Each "Patriot" listed in the DAR Patriot Index would have been "proven"
>>>
>>>
>by
>
>
>>>one of his descendants who joined the DAR. The DAR will make copies of
>>>members' applications, but they charge $10.00 per application. The
>>>application would list all of the applicant's links back to the soldier,
>>>with names and dates and a list of supporting "proofs" that were used to
>>>prove it. If you want copies of the actual proof documents that were
>>>
>>>
>>used,
>>
>>
>>>you would have to get the proof file.
>>>
>>>I use the term "proven" loosely, since in the early days of DAR, they
>>>
>>>
>>didn't
>>
>>
>>>require much, if any, proof. Now they are sticklers for proof of each
>>>
>>>
>>link.
>>
>>
>>>If there are recent applications for the "Patriot" that you are
>>>
>>>
>interested
>
>
>>>in, there will be a proof file at the DAR Library in Washington, D.C.
>>>
>>>
>that
>
>
>>>contains the various vital record documents and other proofs that were
>>>
>>>
>>used,
>>
>>
>>>that can be copied. They would not give you b/m/d certificates for
>>>
>>>
>anyone
>
>
>
>
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