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From: "Karen N. Moore" <>
Subject: RE: [PAPHILA] John Moore/Charles Moore - Philadelphia
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 21:50:01 -0400
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-F17FgnjXXBARdk0000e90d@hotmail.com>


Regina, thanks so much for this further information - why I could not
come up with this is anyone's guess. I have the 1880 census image of
Charles at the orphanage and I realize there is a discrepancy in the
information as to both parents being born in PA and Charles stating his
father was born in Europe on his marriage return. As far as the 1910
census, it gives John's age as 17, which I believe is a typo or misread
from possibly 47, as I assume Charles is younger than John. Charles is
40 in this census. At this time, I do not have the address - I plan to
visit my Family Search Center this Thursday. Also included are Charles'
wife Caroline and their 4 children, as well as "26 non-relatives". I
assume they were running a boarding or lodging home at this time.

I will recheck the 1880 census for the Hausch information. I am curious
about the possible mispronunciation between "Apple" and "Otter" if, as
the orphanage records state, Mary Hausch wrote in old German script and
probably had an accent. This insight is very interesting, especially
since the house numbers between my information and what you are telling
me are both "43". No wonder I wasn't getting any hits for Hausch on
Apple Street. Also interesting is the coincidence of a Mary Hausch
living on Richmond Street where John was living. Perhaps this Mary is
the daughter-in-law of my Charles' Aunt Mary.

Can you tell me where you got the 1870 City Directory information? I
have the CD's for city directories for 1887-1893. Is the CD for earlier
years available?

I have no information on Catherine except what I wrote in my first
email. I have no idea if Peter belongs to my Moore family. I guess it
is always possible that her maiden name was Moore as well, but it seems
a little far fetched.

Thank you for the information - it certainly gives me places to go. I
thank you so much.

Karen Moore

-----Original Message-----
From: Regina Nau [mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 9:27 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [PAPHILA] John Moore/Charles Moore - Philadelphia

Karen, There is David Hausch living with his wife Mary at 143 Richmond
Street in Philadelphia in 1880. David is 62yo. By 1890 Mary is a widow
at
that address. This family is found in 1860 living at 43 Otter Street.
There children include a Mary, Elizabeth, Theodore and an Emma - this is

taken from the 1860, 1870 and 1880 census records.

Charles Moore, ag 12 is in the orphanage in 1880 and he is shown as
being
born in PA with both parents in PA. If you found charles and John
together
in 1910, does it give John's age? Where are they living?

In the 1870 City directory there is a Catherine Moore widow of John
living
at 2113 Germantown Ave. Living at that same address is a Peter Moore -
maybe this is your Catherine?

Hope that some of this is helpful?

Regina

>From: "Karen N. Moore" <>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: [PAPHILA] John Moore/Charles Moore - Philadelphia
>Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:43:51 -0400
>
>I have hit a brick wall and hope the listers can help me plot a path of
>research. My gggrandfather was Charles Moore, dob 4/15/1868; had a
>brother John, dob unknown. Both were orphaned 1872, father John Moore
>having died prior to Charles' birth, and mother Catherine (maiden name
>unknown) having died in 1872 of cholera. Brother John was placed with
>an unnamed family residing on Richmond Street in Philadelphia. Charles
>was placed in the Lutherans Orphan Home on Germantown Avenue (aka
>Orphans Home and Asylum for the Aged and Infirm of the Evangelical
>Lutheran Church at Philadelphia). The father John is reported to have
>lived in Allen Street below Shackamaxon. All of this information came
>from records at the orphans' home from an "aunt" Mary (Maria) Hausch
who
>lived at 43 Apple Street in Philadelphia. I have a copy of the
>Indenture placing Charles in the Orphanage. I have Charles' Marriage
>Return dated 6/16/1889 to Caroline Amelia Fullmer. He has listed his
>parents' names as "Unknown". Though he has listed his Mother's place of
>birth as Unknown, he listed his Father's as "Europe". I find it hard
to
>understand why the orphanage would not advise Charles of his parents'
>names. Though I have been lucky to find that a research of the 1910
>Miracode Index has Charles and John reunited at a Philadelphia address,
>I can't seem to find information on their early years.
>
>I have searched for birth records of Charles (there is no guarantee he
>was born in Philadelphia) with no luck. I have searched for Charles
and
>John Moore with parents named John and Catherine. I have searched the
>Philadelphia City Directories for Richmond Street, Apple Street, and
>Shackamaxon for Moore's and Hausches. I have searched for Hausches and
>Housches in Philadelphia.
>
>I need some suggestions and some inspiration. Any leads for further
>research will be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks to all of you.
>
>
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