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From: Diana Dobbins <>
Subject: Re: [PATE] Emanuel C Pate Sevier Co., TN - Coosa Co.,AL - Files AL85 - M95
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:23:22 -0600
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Hi B. Carter,

Is your Pate line from Thoroughgood?

Diana

> From:
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:09:41 -0400
> To:
> Subject: Re: [PATE] Emanuel C Pate Sevier Co., TN - Coosa Co., AL - Files AL85 - M95
>
> I would bet on your side, hopefully! Can you fill in what
> information you have on these Pates from Jefferson, Sevier Counties,
> TN? Or would you left me have access to a
> Family tree from which I could dig it out? It is so plausible, but
> as you say, hard to document. But even family lore may be a helpful
> hint and lead to documentable finds!
> Perhaps our Emanuel Pate who signed as bondsman for the Craven Co.
> marriage record of Daniel Pate and Polly (Hulda) Mecoy in 1803 might
> have been a frequent traveler between TN and AL. I can easily
> imagine that a young couple who entered some informal marriage
> arrangement in 1798 (when one family Bible records their marriage)
> being advised by an older relative to go to the county seat and
> register their marriage before they undertook a series of moves which
> took them to Rutherford Co., TN.Did this Emanuel have any connection
> to the Pates at Patetown in Wayne Co., NC?
> B. Carter Pate <>
>
> On Mar 21, 2011, at 3:11 PM, Diana Dobbins wrote:
>
> >
> > I would be willing to bet a dollar that every single Pate in early
> > Jefferson and Sevier Co's, TN is descended from Anthony & Sarah
> > English Pate and that includes Emanuel Pate of Coosa. Of course the
> > Jacob Pate in Jefferson is a known descendant of Anthony thru his
> > son Jeremiah Pate & Christina Harmon. But Anthony and Sarah's sons
> > John, Matthew, Thomas, and Anthony were all in that area and had
> > descendants. Problem is there are too many burned courthouses to
> > prove it...hence the dollar only bet.
> >
> > Diana
> > Descendant of Nancy Pate Lindsay of Jefferson Co, TN and Coosa Co,
> > AL who I believe but can't prove beyond a shadow of doubt to be the
> > descendant of Thomas Pate Jr. & Hannah, Thomas Pate Sr & Catherine,
> > Anthony Pate & Sarah English.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 01:22:43 -0400
> >> From:
> >> To:
> >> Subject: [PATE] Emanuel C Pate Sevier Co., TN - Coosa Co., AL -
> >> Files AL85 - M95
> >>
> >> I need to make several points regarding Emanuel C Pate
> >> 1. Earlier this month I proffered an OPINION that Emanuel C Pate was
> >> Emanuel Canterbury Pate, a son or grandson of Samuel Pate and Hannah
> >> Canterbury of Sevier Co., TN
> >> 2. That OPINION was speculative and I need to and do hereby stand
> >> down
> >> from that OPINION.
> >> 3. Samuel Pate and his wife, Hannah Canterbury of Sevier Co., TN did
> >> have a son whom they named William Canterbury Pate (14 Oct 1829-24
> >> Dec 1865)
> >> 4. A careful review of the records of Sevier Co., TN and its parent
> >> county, Jefferson, will disclose close ties and intermarriage between
> >> the Pate, Atchley and Canterbury familes
> >> 5. The Pate, Canterbury and perhaps the Atchley families of Sevier
> >> Co.,
> >> TN were slave owners. Some of the slaves held by Samuel Pate perhaps
> >> were manumitted or given freedom
> >> 6. A review of the records of Coosa Co., AL will lead one to the
> >> conclusion that some of the Pate and Atchley families relocated there
> >> from TN; most likely Sevier Co., TN
> >> 7. The first marriage of Emanuel C Pate to Pamelia Atchley (13 Aug
> >> 1846
> >> Coosa Co., AL) was troubled. They were estranged and separated by
> >> 9 Apr
> >> 1850 and lawful divorced by 17 Feb 1856
> >> 8. The child identified as Sarah E E Pate b 1861 in the 1860
> >> Census was
> >> most likely a daughter of Emanuel's second wife,
> >> 7. The confirmed facts regarding Emanuel C Pate-
> >>
> >> Name: Emmanuel C Pate
> >> Sex: Male
> >>
> >> Individual Facts
> >> Birth abt 1822 TN
> >> Misc 9 Apr 1850 (about age 28) Petition for Writ of Habeus Corpus
> >> vs Pamelia Atchley Pate for custody of son Walter Richard Pate;
> >> Coosa Co., AL Probate Court, Coosa Co, AL
> >> Burial Arkadelphia, Cullman Co, AL
> >> Ref # AL85
> >>
> >> Marriages/Children
> >> 1. Pamelia Atchley (1824- )
> >> Marriage 13 Aug 1846 (about age 24) Coosa Co, AL
> >> Divorce 17 Feb 1856 (about age 34)
> >> Children Walter Richard Pate (1850- )
> >>
> >> 2. Elizabeth Jane Robinson-Delaney (1841- )
> >> Marriage 18 Mar 1866 (about age 44) Coosa Co, AL
> >> Children
> >> Sarah E E Pate (1861- )
> >> Samuel Pate (1869-1934)
> >> Thomas Pate (1870-1955)
> >> Lucinda "Lucy" Pate (1875- )
> >> Mary L Pate (1877- )
> >>
> >>
> >> Notes: Emmanuel C Pate
> >>
> >> General: CENSUS:
> >> 1850 Coosa Co, AL - w/Jacob J& Lucinda Richards
> >> 1850 Coosa Co, AL - Slave Schedule
> >> 1860 Coosa Co, AL - w/Jacob J& Lucinda Richards
> >> 1870 Coosa Co, AL
> >> 1880 Blount Co, AL
> >>
> >> MARRIAGES:
> >> COOSA CO, AL MARRIAGE RECORDS BK A-C (1834-1865); Coosa Co Hist Soc;
> >> (1) Bk A, p 227; L/12 Aug; M/13 Aug 1846; Emanuel Pate& Pamelia
> >> Atchley; Md by Benjamin Foscue, MG
> >> EARLY ALABAMA MARRIAGES; Family Adventures
> >> (1) Coosa Co, AL; 13 Aug 1846; Emanuel Pate& Pamelia Atchley
> >> COOSA CO, AL MARRIAGE RECORDS BK A-C (1834-1865); Coosa Co Hist Soc
> >> (2) Bk D, Pg 14; License 16 Mar; Marriage 18 Mar 1866; Emanuel
> >> Pate& Jane Dulaney; Md by Esaiah Holmes, MG
> >> COOSA CO, AL MARRIAGES (1865-68) (1878-82); LDS Film #1290264;
> >> (2) License 16 Mar; Marriage 18 Mar 1866; Emmanuel Pate& Jane
> >> Dulany; Md by Esaiah Holmes, MG
> >>
> >> DIVORCE:
> >> AL DIVORCES, STATE LEGISLATURE;
> >> (1) 17 Feb 1856; Emmanuel Pate vs Permelia Pate - Randolph-Chamber
> >> District
> >>
> >> MISC:
> >> 9 Apr 1850 Probate Records; Emanuel Pate files for Writ of Habeus
> >> Corpus stating he wants possession of his son, Walter Richard
> >> Pate, said son of Emanuel Pate& Pamelia Pate Abram Atchley&
> >> Pamelia Pate apparently delivered the child (per John Wallace)
> >>
> >> MISC:
> >> Working on this line;
> >> Karen Borden, CA (;)
> >> Brenda Green ()
> >> J D Weeks (;http://www.jd.weeks.net;
> >> http://www.my-ged.com/weeks)
> >>
> >>
> >> 8. It is reasonable to conclude that Emanuel C Pate had some close
> >> ties
> >> to Mrs Lucinda Jacobs as he was enumerated in the 1850 and 1860
> >> censuses
> >> of Coosa Co., AL in her household. This Lucinda Jacobs was an age
> >> peer
> >> of Samuel Pate in Sevier Co., TN.
> >>
> >> Challenging-
> >>
> >> Joel
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