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From: "Jerry W. Murphy" <>
Subject: [PATTERSON] Fw: {not a subscriber} Re: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:21:19 -0500


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From: "Harald Reksten" <>
To: <>; "Debra Clark"
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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 6:58 PM
Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Re: Robert and
Mary/Margaret Patterson family


> Wes,
>
> Actually Robert's will from York County, SC does not mention Augusta
County, VA (it only mentions Virginia). As far as I know there is no known
proof that Robert of York County was from Augusta Co, VA but it is certainly
possible.
>
> Harald
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To: Debra Clark
> Cc: Patterson Rootsweb List ; PattersonGenealogyNC
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:52 PM
> Subject: [PattersonGenealogyNC] Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson
family
>
>
> Debra,
>
> Yes, I have that same record from John of Great Bridge, Va. I don't have
it with
> me (at work) so I wasn't able to refer to that earlier when I replied to
you.
> There are other accounts of these same families though that do confuse
the
> issue, as you mentioned.
>
> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU:
>
> 1. Do you know which 8 children grew to maturity, as stated in those
notes?
>
> 2. Do you know anything about the Robert (son of Robert of Lancaster)
who was
> four years old in the account below? I'm trying to determine if he was
four in
> 1730 when they reached PA or when they first started on that two year
excursion
> across the state. In either case, that would make him being born about
1724 or
> 1726. Do you know if he stayed in the PA area or if he left and went
south?
>
> I'm specifically trying to see if there is a link between him and the
Robert
> Patterson who died in York Co., SC in 1791. This latter Robert was born
about
> 1727 give or take a year. It is known that owned land in Augusta Co., Va
which
> covered most of the western region of Va in the 1740s and 1750s (WV
also). It is
> believed that his family was from PA and that he was either born in PA
or in N.
> Ireland. His 1775 will (he died in 1791 though) states that he owned
land in
> both Augusta Co., Va and also in Craven/York Co., SC.
>
> His oldest son was named Thomas (and I see where the Robert son of
Robert of
> Lancaster was about two years older than his brother Thomas making them
close,
> no doubt). Robert of Va/SC also had children named Robert, Peter,
Elizabeth,
> Lydia, Sarah, and William (and I see where the PA Robert also had a
brother
> named William, too).
>
> The Va/SC Robert's son Thomas was born ca. 1748. This same Thomas and
his
> younger brothers Robert and Peter may have been born in Augusta Co., Va,
but it
> is believed that the four youngest siblings were all born in the old
Craven Co.,
> SC between 1755 and 1762. So it looks like this Va/SC Robert acquired
land in
> Augusta Co., Va in the 1740s perhaps, and then moved to SC in the mid
1750s,
> holding onto the land in both states. According to the account on the PA
> Pattersons, the Thomas Patterson there was killed in 1756 (mid 1750s) by
> Indians. If he WAS the brother of the Va/SC Robert Patterson, perhaps
THAT is
> why Robert moved to SC, to get away from the dangerous open lands. I DO
know
> that is why thousands did move south during the 1750s.
>
> I am 95% sure that my gggg-gf John Patterson (b. ca. 1766 in SC; d.
1840s in
> Union Co., Ga) was the son of Thomas Patterson (ca. 1748), who was the
son of
> the Va/SC Robert Patterson(ca. 1727). I am extremely interested in
finding out
> more about this "four year old" Robert Patterson, son of Robert of
Lancaster. If
> these two Roberts (PA Robert and Va/SC Robert) were not the same person,
I
> suspect there may still be a connection somewhere.
>
> I would greatly appreciate any insight you may have.
>
> Thanks, Debra.
> Wes
>
> http://wespatterson.com/patterson.html
>
>
> Debra Clark wrote:
>
> > Hello Wes,
> > Thanks for the names of the boys. Some sources say that John Patterson
m. to
> > Phebe ___ was the brother of Col. Robert Patterson of Dayton, OH and
some
> > say 1st cousin. The Patterson Papers in Dayton say that Francis's
brother
> > John was the father of John Patterson m. Phoebe/Phebe. So we are
leaning
> > toward 1st cousin. Also there is a John Patterson buried in Woodland
Cem.
> > with all of Col. Robert and his family and that John Patterson b. 1754
d. 09
> > Jun 1829 was married to Sarah __ and had two children, William and a
> > daughter Sarah that married a Mr. Roads. I have his will, I thought
he was
> > my John Patterson but mine died 26 Dec 1821 Union Villiage, Warren
Co., OH.
> > No will or estate as far as I know. Here is some information I
recieved from
> > John Patterson from Great Bridge, VA
> > Notes: Concerning the Forefathers: The first of the Pattersons who
came over
> > had settled in the northeast part of the state. The father (emigrant
John),
> > and son Robert (afterwards of Lancaster), decided to go farther south.
It
> > took them, according to the family records, two years to cross the
state.
> > They settled on the way, raised a crop of corn and then moved on
farther
> > west and south. The family party in wagons were as follows: the
emigrant
> > ancestor, John Patterson, and his middle-aged single daughter, whose
name
> > has not been preserved; Robert (of Lancaster), his son, Robert's wife,
> > Margaret, and their children: John; aged thirteen (ancestor of the
Shaker
> > Pattersons); Mary, eleven, Francis (of Bedford), nine (afterwards
father of
> > Robert Patterson of Lexington); William, seven; Robert, four; and
Thomas, a
> > baby. Another daughter, whose name isnot known, was next older than
William.
> > Several more children were born to Robert and Margaret after they came
to
> > Amercia; Ann was born in NJ in 1732.
> >
> > ... After the death of John Patterson, his spinster daughter left the
family
> > party for a home of her own in a cabin near the Patterson farm and
lived
> > alone until her death, some years later. The next move of the family
was
> > into Pennsylvania. They spent several years in Bucks and Lancaster
Counties,
> > the in 1738 crossed the Susquehanna into York County and lived near
Hanover;
> > then, returning to Lancaster County, Robert purchased land on Sweet
Arrow
> > Creek; and "Sweet Arrow Farm" as the Patterson home, became widely
known as
> > is the "Rubicon Farm" near Dayton (Ohio), 160 years later. The names
of
> > John, Farncis and William, sons of Robert of Lancaster, will be found
> > enrolled for military services in the fort companies of troopers of
York and
> > Lancaster counties. Eight of these children of Robert and Margaret
Patterson
> > lived to maturity, and most of them acquired homes in Pennsylvania.
William
> > married a Virginia girl and they joined her people south of the
Potomac in
> > Berkeley County; some records say Frederick County. This William, as a
> > "minuteman" took part in the Battle of Cowpens, his brothers Francis
and
> > Robert marching in reinforcements when halted by the news of Colonel
> > Morgan's glorious victory. One of Robert's daughters married and lived
in
> > Maryland. Mary married and moved to the Pennsylvania frontier with her
> > brothers, Francis (father of Robert, of Lexington) and Thomas, leaving
the
> > Sweet Arrow Farm in order to make their home together in the Cove
Mountain
> > neighborhood.
> >
> > ...For five years, 1758 to 1763, Francis and his brother Robert (Uncle
of
> > Colonel Robert) of Lancaster County were in almost constant mounterd
service
> > of the frontier.
> >
> > I don't know if my John and Phebe were in KY for sure or if it was the
other
> > John Patterson m. to Sarah. I think my John and Phebe were in VA near
the
> > Patomac(k) River. Here is a note from "The Chronicles of the Scoth
Irish in
> > Virginia", by Chalkey, Vol 1, Patterson vs. Gamwell.--John Patterson,
son of
> > John Patterson, Middle River, 14th. June, 1770, but I have found
another
> > John mentioned as the son and heir of Robert Patterson around the same
> > period. If my John was from Lancaster as mentioned in the above
paragraph
> > then he didn't stay long but lived mostly in VA then KY then Dayton,
OH.
> > It is going to take lots of digging to find out who is who. So for
now I am
> > unsure of when and where he was exactly before Dayton,OH.
> > Sincerely,
> > Debra Clark
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wes Patterson" <>
> > To: "Debra Clark" <>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: Robert and Mary/Margaret Patterson family
> >
> > > Debra,
> > >
> > > Thanks for writing. I have seen a couple of different lists and am
trying
> > to
> > > sort through them myself. It sounds like the information you have is
on
> > their
> > > son Francis Patterson (married Jane). I see where you have your John
as
> > the
> > > nephew of this Francis. Do you know who your John's father was?
> > >
> > > According to the info I have Robert was born ca. 1675 and married
> > Mary/Margaret.
> > > They had 9 or 10 sons and at least a couple of daughters. I'm still
trying
> > to
> > > piece together the dates for the children, but it seems their sons'
names
> > were
> > > William, Hugh, James, Robert, Matthew, Thomas, John, Leonard,
Francis, and
> > one
> > > other possibly. These are not in any kind of order here.
> > >
> > > I'd love to know anything more that you do on this family. Thanks.
> > >
> > > Wes
> > >
> > > Debra Clark wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello Wes,
> > > > I too descend from Robert b. 1700 Ireland and Margaret/Mary
Patterson.
> > I
> > > > recieved some information from Wight State Univ. Library in
Dayton, OH.
> > My
> > > > ancestor John Patterson m. Phebe were 1st cousins to Col. Robert
> > Patterson
> > > > co-founder of Lexington, KY and Dayton, OH. John and Phebe became
> > Shakers.
> > > > That is another story. Any way Col. Robert's family documents were
> > preserved
> > > > in Dayton. His son Jefferson was also a Col. and grandson John
Henry
> > > > Patterson was founder and CEO of National Cash Registar. So they
were
> > very
> > > > important to Dayton. Mine were run out of town because they were
> > Shakers.
> > > > At any rate, one of the genealogical charts for Col. Robert
Patterson
> > shows
> > > > Robert's parents as Francis and Jane Patterson. The children were:
> > Francis
> > > > Patterson, b. 1721 Ireland d. 09 Jul 1801 Lexington, KY, John
Patterson
> > b.
> > > > 1717 d. prob. Lancaster, Lancaster Co.,PA, William Patterson ca
1730, I
> > > > think he is the one m. Sarah Douglas, Robert Patterson b. 1724,
Thomas
> > > > Patterson b. 1726 d. Killed by Indians in 1756, Arthur Patterson
b.
> > 1728,
> > > > Ann Patterson b. 1732, and the last one I have is Mary Patterson
b.
> > 1719.
> > > > If you have a list of children and info on Robert and
Margaret/Mary's
> > > > children. I would really appreicate a list. Also, if you have any
info
> > or
> > > > know anyone who might know more about John Patterson b. 1717
Ireland I
> > would
> > > > really appreciate the help.
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Debra Clark
> > >
>
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