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From: "Wesley Gann" <>
Subject: Re: [PAYNE] Tempe PAIN/PAYNE, Cherokee Indian girls
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:10:51 -0500
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What part of Western NC are you referring to? I have some connections there
(specifically Macon Co.)with my Grandmother Sanders. She married a Payne. My
oldest brother is insistent that she made trips up there to see someone that
was not to be talked of. The elusiveness of my Payne line (and this is not
a "everyone has one") has lead me to believe for quite some time they were
hiding something, living among other Paynes of Hall County, GA, but yet no
Who knows, I've all but given up on this one
Wes Gann
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From: "joemcdo" <>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:32 PM
Subject: [PAYNE] Tempe PAIN/PAYNE, Cherokee Indian girls

> What can anyone tell me about people selling Indian children in the 1800s,
> particularly in western NC?
> For years I have been trying to find why there does not seem to be any
> connection to the Native American Indians to my PAIN/PAYNE family. We have
> been told all our lives that Tempe PAIN/PAYNE, my gggrand mother, was full
> blood Cherokee. Many of her descendents look like they are 100% Indian. I
> just found out last week why. I could never find my Tempe PAIN/PAYNE b. 18
> May 1809 as an Indian. I was visiting my uncle Jack BALL, all of 89 years
> young and a memory as sharp as a whip. I asked if he could remember his
> grandmother, Mary Ann Freeman, Tempe's daughter? "Sure, she lived with us"
> was his reply. He said Mary told him her mother said she was sold to the
> PAIN/PAYNE family when she was a young girl. A man came by one day with
> two little Cherokee Indian girls and Mr. PAIN/PAYNE bought the older one.
> That one reason she did not look like the other PAIN/PAYNE children. This
> was in the early 1820s he thought. He also said Tempe and Mary were both 6
> foot tall.
> Any help would be greatly appreicated.
> Keep Well
> Joe McDonald

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