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From: "David S. Payne" <>
Subject: Re: [PAYNE] Thomas "Trader" and John Payne in VA
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:56:43 -0800 (PST)
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There are so many Thomas and John Paynes scattered all thru VA during that period you mention below and at least 4 different DNA proven lines.
Are you sure the tithes and other lists you mention are the John and his brother Thomas "Trader" Payne of lineage #2 that we are discussing?
Also, I notice I have him died in Pendleton District, SC on my website.
I don't think that is right since he lived in Franklin Co. GA. He lived on Payne's Creek on Tugaloo River. There was a cemetery there but I think the US Corp of Engineers put a parking lot over it.
Even though I can't prove it, I do think he had land on the SC side of the Tugaloo River at one time when he got grants in Franklin Co. GA. Pendleton District west of the Seneca River was still Franklin Co. before the Beaufort Treaty in 1791.

David S. Payne, : My websites:
My surnames mostly in Upstate SC/GA, & Western NC:
My Pictures, etc:

Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:59:26 -0600
From: "Poldi Tonin" <>
Subject: Re: [PAYNE] John Payne died 1781
David and other cousins:
I ran into myself coming around a corner while hunting the Paynes. What a

1. Found on a webpage that Thomas "Trader" Payne was born 21 Oct.
1721 in
Middlesex Co. VA.; and died about 1811 Pendleton District. South Carolina.
Mother was listed as Elizabeth Poindexter and father as William Payne.
Grandparents: Elizabeth Johnston (Murphy?) and John Payne born about 1685
Westmoreland Co. Va. and died before 1735 in Hanover Co. VA.
His wife was Anica (Yanaka) Ayers (Eyre). Looked about for a will on the Net
for Ayers and found one Nathaniel Ayers who named a daughter as Yanaka

2. Found on the June 10th, 1749 Amelia County VA tithing lists:
Thomas Pain and [Slave] Peter -- 2 tithes
next line:
John Pain -- 1 tithe

3. On another page also dated June 10, 1749 of "Tithables Ordered by the
Court" is listed:
John Pain, Patroler viz.--- no tithe

4. I noticed that men listed as patrolers seemed to be exempt from tithing
taxes. Need to find explanation by some authority on tithing and patrolers
for this exemption. It may be contained in the Virginia Statutes most of
which are now on-line.

NOTE: The families who intermarried with the Paynes of Pittsylvania Co.
Va and Surry Co. NC (Roberts and Hampton) are also on these 1749 tithing

ALSO found compliments of a kind document poster (May their tribe increase)
on the pages an Henrico County VA Patent (book 9,
pp. 540-541) a patent dat4ed 24 April 1703 for 4,000 acres to Capt. Francis
Eppes, Isham Epes [Eppes], Francis Epes [Eppes], Junior. George Robinson,
Minister, Mrs. Elizabeth Kennon, Phillip Jones and Mrs. Martha Stratton and
George Archer and James Hill, for the importation of 80 persons.
Among the names of the persons transported were Wm.Pane and Trestam Paine.

Now all of this may be old new to the list but maybe a fresh posting at this
time will jog memories of other entries found long ago and not collected at
the time.

I belong to a few groups of "cousins" and am the administrator of the
Langford/Lankford DNA Project and the Langford rootsweb list. The groups
have created private websites where we share documents. We are a rather
particular group of family researchers and share freely documents and data
and hopefully maintain the high standards required of both professional and
serious family researchers.
That means: It isn't so until it is documented. As I told my brother, we
know we are siblings but until we are documented as such, future generations
will be required to prove our relationship.

Because I am not a computer whiz, I have instead created a blog to which I
post mainly Langford/Lankford data but also items that I find interesting
or strikes my fancy.
The URL is:

A computer savvy researcher has created a great Langford website and we have
been donating documents as we find them to the "effort". We started
with a
Virginia TimeLine which helped to keep us focused and created a base from
which to work.
The URL is:<>;

We also have a members only website but much of the same material is on this
earlier page.

Another group of "cousins" is devoted to the direct desendants of one
from Virginia. Because of the popularity of the family name this has been
the solution to a widely dispersed group of descendants working toward th

Another group is a one-name research endeavor whereby we all donate
documents found in every nook and cranny across America to the group and our
resident Geek has very generously recorded all the material on to the gold
CD's and given us copies for our files and also has presented the Family
History Center in Utah with copies for their archives. This group also has a
DNA project. This is an on-going effort and has been very fruitful.

Whoops, computer service died last night and am not sure this went through
to the list.
Please forgive if this is a duplicate in your mailbox.

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