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From: "Kristen Pennington" <>
Subject: Re: [PENNINGTON-L] Outrageous
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 12:25:21 PDT


Umm...I hate to be rude, but since when is this list a forum for exchanging
views and arguing??????

>From: Jack Franklin <>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: Re: [PENNINGTON-L] Outrageous
>Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 13:19:35 -0600
>
>Spanking did not make me into a monster - in fact, because I knew all
>about it I would not do things I thought might earn it. I expect that
>parents should have "control". That they no longer no do is apparent in
>the anger in our children. They have no real boundaries to push at as
>they grow up = all they have a rather large "friends". I spanked few
>times with my children but they knew I WOULD and it makes a big
>difference. Audrey Annable Franklin
>
>Carolyn McDaniel wrote:
>
> > Dear Cousins,
> > As you rightly point out, there is a difference between abuse
> > and punishing children with swats and light spankings. The difference
> > is in degree and manner of administration, and I would certainly agree
> > that this does not produce mass murderers. However, what you seem to
> > overlook, and generalize with contrary examples to make yourselves
> > correct, beating a child with a belt and justifying it by calling it
> > discipline is still child abuse. As to slapping in the face, if this
> > were done to an adult it would be assault.
> > I also was raised in the era of corporal punishment, and
> > raised my own three children with spankings and swats. What does that
> > have to do with beating a child with a belt? What does it have to do
> > with raising a child to be a loving, whole, healthy individual
> > instead of a child grown large, full of hate and rage? What does it
> > have to do with establishing healthy discipline and boundaries, and
> > respect for one's fellow man? I think very little.
> > Physical punishment has very little to do with discipline.
> > What it has to do with is maintaining power and control over another
> > person. It is most often employed by persons who haven't the
> > capability to relate to others. It produces, if not mass murderers,
> > other emotional and physical abusers, and control freaks.
> > As to defining what is moral and what is immoral, and what is
> > lawful and what is unlawful -- in philosophy substituting one thing
> > and calling it another is termed fallacious reasoning, and within the
> > law beating a child with a belt is called child abuse.
> >
> > Carolyn McDaniel
> >
> > http://www.teleport.com/~cmacdee
> >
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