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From: "Donna Delgadillo" <>
Subject: Re: [PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT] Finding a Pedigree on rootsweb
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:51:14 -0500


Dearest Ms. Gless,
Are we related thru what our family calls the Ellison line? They do go back to the Stuarts. Let me dig thru my papers here. Let's see, do you have John Allison married to Ellin Hamilton? He emigrated to America from Scotland before 1624 on "The Prosperous" and she emigrated on "The Charitie." She was the daughter of Sir Robert Hamilton and Susanna Robeson. Sir Robert was the son of William Hamilton of Sorn born about 1552 who married Annabella Wallace. The Wallace clan seems to be the main route to the Stuarts.
Donna Delgadillo


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alice Gless" <>
> To:
> Subject: Re: [PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT] Finding a Pedigree on rootsweb
> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:11:44 -0500
>
>
> LOL. I sure needed a laugh. I knew I would be raining on somebody's
> parade. You can just keep your tiara, it is fine with me, but I hope
> you have it insured. Probably loaded with diamonds, emeralds, rubies
> and no pearls, some other exotic jewel.
>
> I suppose dalliances could happen anytime, anywhere. What is more
> troubling is how many of us may have half-siblings we know nothing about.
>
> To get this back to Plantagenets, it is really bugging me about my
> supposed Stuart line. That is loaded with Plantagenets. The family
> story in our little Allison genealogy was that my Rebecca Beard was the
> gdaughter of one Charles Stuart, wounded in the hand at the Battle of
> the Boyne, a direct descendent of the Royal House of Scotia and Mary
> Queen of Scots, we've kicked that around a little bit here before.
> Keven said Mary and Lord Darnley had only one child, would have to go
> back to the archives to check that. My grandmother surely would have
> known about its being in that genealogy, but all I ever heard from her
> was that James Stewart, the actor, was my father's 32nd cousin. That is
> pretty far-fetched because they came from the same county; the lot of
> them. I've not spent much time on it, but 32nd is pretty distant, never
> found anything on that.
>
> My mother has no royal blood, can't get her lines back far enough to
> know, but I doubt it. I used to accuse her of being too bourgeoisie
> (spell checker doesn't have that word, never mind, it does) under my breath.
>
> My father is the one, and if he ever knew about it, which I doubt, he
> never brought it up. I know things about his ancestors he could have
> only dreamed of, and they went out east taking pictures in cemeteries,
> etc. The internet made it all so much easier. My mother had to plow
> through census records, couldn't get places, write beaucoup letters,
> when they'd go on a trip, they'd stop say in Harrisburg, PA at the
> library and come out with nothing. I'm surprised she made it as far as
> she did.
>
> To end my little digression, Kevin is such a stickler for sources, I
> began to wonder if that family story could have been invented to make
> someone feel more important when they were dirt poor in the PA wilderness.
>
> So I found a SECOND source, somebody cited it, I found the book at
> ancestry and LOOKED IT UP MYSELF.
>
> "Biographical and historical cyclopedia of Indiana and Armstrong
> Counties, Pennsylvania, p239
>
> "He was married in 1752 to a lady by the name of Beckie Beard, a
> granddaughter of one Charles Stuart, a descendant of the house of Stewarts."
>
> Back to square one. It would have to be a direct descendant. But it's
> a little more than I had before.
>
> Somebody on the world tree at ancestry has her as the granddaughter of
> Charles I Stuart and Catherine Henrietta. I think that is bunk. I've
> found no evidence that he was ever at the Battle of the Boyne, think he
> spent much time in France, and he ended up being beheaded.
>
> Somebody else has her as the granddaughter of that Cpt. Stewart of Horn
> Head which I found independently. He WAS at the Battle of the Boyne
> only the web page for that says he lost his leg. You'd think they'd get
> the story straight. That is a stronger possibility. Not much I can do
> about it now. I did find the Coat of Arms, and it has Darnley on it.
> So I guess if I am supposed to find out, it will jump out at me
> sometime when I least expect it; otherwise best to just be content with
> what I have found.
>
> I was at the library trying to do too many things. Heritage Quest is
> impossible the way they have it set up, their search engine is useless.
> I tried to find somebody closer on the 1841 Lancashire census because
> they have the library edition, and I can't get some of that on regular
> ancestry from home unless I buy the DeLuxe version. No luck there, what
> a mess I went through. So I looked for a cemetery plat and asked for
> help because somebody wants a photo of a grave in a cemetery in a
> dangerous part of town, I was going to go for it if I knew about where
> to go. Their index cuts off before she died in 1859. There is a huge
> chart on the wall with tiny, neat lettering of the graves. Went over
> the whole thing, back started hurting, couldn't find her. So I wrote
> the guy and asked if he was sure she was buried in that cemetery.
>
> Then I google. Another network called celtic cousins, there it was,
> tons of names and photos in that cemetery. I found the photo of her
> grave so wrote the guy back.
>
> I forgot to look for peerage books and was just going through the stacks
> seeing what they had on NH and MA Try going through all that stuff.
> I'm sure everybody has. So I find little blurbs about my John
> Solendine in somebody's journal in a long row of NEHGS books. Those I
> will need to go through one by one on the chance I'll pick up anything.
>
> That Stuart thing is so tantalizing though. I want to be descended from
> that John of Gaunt who was hanged, drawn and quartered. Merovingians
> aren't near as interesting as he is right now. I need to be doing other
> things, of course and give it a rest and quit boring you people with my
> chatter.
>
> Alice
>
> Lady Barbara wrote:
>
> > Actually, there have been studies done which concluded that what we would
> > probably consider a shocking percentage of all children born are from
> > different fathers than the spouse of the mother.
> > Kinsey report, etc, seems to somewhat support those figures
> > I like to think my mother's blue blood ran all the way back to Charlemagne
> > just as it appears on paper.
> > Please don't burst my royal bubble with some annoying little DNA test - what
> > would I do with my tiara?
> > (I'd have to mow my lawn bare-headed and the neighbors would have nothing
> > left to talk about.)
> > Lady Barbara
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> > [mailto:]On Behalf Of
> > Alice Gless
> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:25 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT] Finding a Pedigree on
> > rootsweb
> >
> > Ha ha. Believe it or not, I thought of that. That is probably exactly
> > the case. A distant cousin of a distant aunt who was sister to another
> > cousin. I'm the kind of person that figures if I am supposed to find
> > out something, somehow I will. So I'm not going to pursue that
> > particular male line aggressively.
> >
> > Sometimes it is so tempting to just make one up or fit an "iffy" one in
> > so your tree won't have broken branches lol.
> >
> > This whole business gets absurd if you really think about it. One
> > indiscretion and the whole thing falls apart like dominos falling. What
> > is true today may not be true tomorrow. It used to be if your wife
> > cheated on you and you (how to put it delicately for this refined group)
> > continued your relationship, then any offspring were considered legally
> > yours, there was a law with a word I don't want to use about that. My
> > father told me about it. I don't know where things stand on that now..
> > It is the bloodline that counts.
> >
> > But then what if she didn't know who the father was? They didn't have
> > dna swabs on afternoon tv back then.
> >
> > It is still interesting nonetheless and won't dampen the thrill of
> > pursuit. If there is a hereafter and we are privy to the ultimate
> > truth, we are going to be in for some surprises I think.
> >
> > Alice
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Alice,
> >>
> >> Just remember that "related to" does not equal "descended from".
> >> She could be related to the Earl of Devon by being the cousin of a
> >>
> >>
> > sister-in-law of a descendant's third wife.
> >
> >
> >> *grin*
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> The Verminator
> >> "The path to citizenship begins with LEGAL immigration"
> >>
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >> From: Alice Gless <>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> " Margaret's parents were John Wyatt and Frances Chichester, and
> >>> through her mother, she can trace her ancestry back to
> >>> Charlemagne, King of
> >>> France and Emperor of the West, and through her father, she is
> >>> related to the
> >>> Earl of Devon who was Edward I, King of England. "
> >>>
> >>> I've only traced back through Chichester. I find no connection on her
> >>> father's side. Do you happen to have it and I missed it somehow?
> >>>
> >>> Alice
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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